02-13-2013, 04:54 AM
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Simpson's newest brushes are being labeled "Silvertip" instead of "Super". I wonder what prompted the change....

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 02-13-2013, 05:00 AM
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I think it is for custom brushes only... Not regular production ... At least I have only seen it on custom made ones.

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 02-13-2013, 05:09 AM
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Perhaps Mark will enlighten us soon... ?

My suggestion is that it overcomes the ambiguity of two grades both being referred to as "Super"

Although there is a visual distinction with 2 band versus 3 band, sometimes that distinction is not always extremely obvious and this provides a clear indication of what's what...

Of note, the categorising on the website remains the same: Pure, Best, Super...

So I'm probably wrong in that summation...

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 02-13-2013, 05:16 AM
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Hope so...

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 02-13-2013, 05:21 AM
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... I thought it a nice twist on custom brushes.

Gives them a point of difference.

In our eyes, three band Super & two Band brushes are both Silvertip anyway.

That said, we do get differing batches of three band material delivered. That's when we differentiate our Vulfix Super from our Silvertip in those ranges.

All very confusing I'm sure Wink

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 02-13-2013, 05:22 AM
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Thanks for the clarification Mark!

Silvertip = bespoke!

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 02-13-2013, 05:46 AM
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Thanks, Mark.

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 02-13-2013, 06:01 AM
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(02-13-2013, 05:21 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: ... I thought it a nice twist on custom brushes.

Gives them a point of difference.

In our eyes, three band Super & two Band brushes are both Silvertip anyway.

That said, we do get differing batches of three band material delivered. That's when we differentiate our Vulfix Super from our Silvertip in those ranges.

All very confusing I'm sure Wink

Mark :

according to your knowledge and way to classified badger hair , is it a difference (if any) between super badger 3 band and "real" silvertip hair ? It seems , for you have written , that are the same , but I dont remember where I did read that some of the LE editions in silvertip (like the Gary Young one) had a even "superior" batch of 3 band badger hair (silvertip).Correct me if Im wrong, please.

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 02-13-2013, 06:08 AM
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Exactly right Tieste.

Three band Super takes many different guises, some with slightly darker tips others almost white.

Varying degrees of softness also from batch to batch.

So in effect, there are grades within grades.

Mark

(02-13-2013, 06:01 AM)Teiste Wrote:
(02-13-2013, 05:21 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: ... I thought it a nice twist on custom brushes.

Gives them a point of difference.

In our eyes, three band Super & two Band brushes are both Silvertip anyway.

That said, we do get differing batches of three band material delivered. That's when we differentiate our Vulfix Super from our Silvertip in those ranges.

All very confusing I'm sure Wink

Mark :

according to your knowledge and way to classified badger hair , is it a difference (if any) between super badger 3 band and "real" silvertip hair ? It seems , for you have written , that are the same , but I dont remember where I did read that some of the LE editions in silvertip (like the Gary Young one) had a even "superior" batch of 3 band badger hair (silvertip).Correct me if Im wrong, please.

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 02-13-2013, 06:14 AM
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(02-13-2013, 06:08 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: Exactly right Tieste.

Three band Super takes many different guises, some with slightly darker tips others almost white.

Varying degrees of softness also from batch to batch.

So in effect, there are grades within grades.

Mark

(02-13-2013, 06:01 AM)Teiste Wrote:
(02-13-2013, 05:21 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: ... I thought it a nice twist on custom brushes.

Gives them a point of difference.

In our eyes, three band Super & two Band brushes are both Silvertip anyway.

That said, we do get differing batches of three band material delivered. That's when we differentiate our Vulfix Super from our Silvertip in those ranges.

All very confusing I'm sure Wink

Mark :

according to your knowledge and way to classified badger hair , is it a difference (if any) between super badger 3 band and "real" silvertip hair ? It seems , for you have written , that are the same , but I dont remember where I did read that some of the LE editions in silvertip (like the Gary Young one) had a even "superior" batch of 3 band badger hair (silvertip).Correct me if Im wrong, please.

Thanks Mark , I think everything is clear now.I truly like the silvertip denomination stamped on the brushes.I also feel , that some of the best badger hair batches could be classified as silvertip too , due to the whiteness and soft tips.

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 02-13-2013, 06:15 AM
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Then there are manufacturers who use hair that has been bleached to produce a uniform identical product ...

Couple that with machinery to form the knots and you can get identical mirror image runs of brushes.

Lots of tricks out there but I'm digressing.

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 02-13-2013, 06:40 AM
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(02-13-2013, 06:15 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: Then there are manufacturers who use hair that has been bleached to produce a uniform identical product ...

Couple that with machinery to form the knots and you can get identical mirror image runs of brushes.

Lots of tricks out there but I'm digressing.

Does Simpson uses badger hair which have been bleached? How can you distinguished it from hair that haven't been bleached ?
I don't have anything against bleached badger hair , I think that most two band badger hair is bleached , for what I understand , but just asking.Thanks and have fun in bella Italy!!!

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 02-13-2013, 07:03 AM
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Tieste,

Our hair, its procurement & treatment is our concern.

In regards to bleaching, its prevalent in the industry - I'll leave it at that. You may draw your own conclusions from the aesthetics on any given brush.

Is bleaching a bad thing? Well, it certainly dries the tips of the hair out and they need to be milled or ground to achieve a dry state softness.

Smoke and mirrors my friend.

(02-13-2013, 06:40 AM)Teiste Wrote:
(02-13-2013, 06:15 AM)Simpson1919 Wrote: Then there are manufacturers who use hair that has been bleached to produce a uniform identical product ...

Couple that with machinery to form the knots and you can get identical mirror image runs of brushes.

Lots of tricks out there but I'm digressing.

Does Simpson uses badger hair which have been bleached? How can you distinguished it from hair that haven't been bleached ?
I don't have anything against bleached badger hair , I think that most two band badger hair is bleached , for what I understand , but just asking.Thanks and have fun in bella Italy!!!

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 02-13-2013, 07:08 AM
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Thanks Mark for the answer , good to have this info here.

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 02-13-2013, 08:00 AM
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Very nice info from Mark - this is why this forum is so great to come and visit if you're a brush fanatic like I and certain other people are Blush ..... Shy

I think I will have stamped 'Silvertip' on my upcoming Chubby 2 3-Bander EXTREME BULB & my upcoming Eagle in 3-Band BULB Cool

(I'm saving up for a 2013 5 piece custom Simpson Shaving brush haul in March Tongue )

For me the term 'Silvertip' makes me think of soft tips, soft brush, soft backbone, large splay and luxurious feel - so I think it suits a 3-Band brush better than a 2-Bander for some reason, but both 2-Bands and 3-Bands are Silvertips and Super quality, just think that Silvertip is the perfect word for a soft mild luxurious border lining floppy brush Smile

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 02-13-2013, 09:01 AM
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Thanks so much for the clarification Mark. I had no idea bleaching of badger silvertips was common in the industry. None of my badgers are uniform, so I guess that is a good sign. That and all my badgers are made by EU companies who's names begin with 'S'.

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 02-13-2013, 09:17 AM
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I think the Silvertip label is a nice touch on customs.

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 02-13-2013, 09:55 AM
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It certainly explains why some companies are able to produce extremely consistent and symmetrical (and white) knots, brush after brush.

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 02-13-2013, 11:12 AM
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(02-13-2013, 09:55 AM)vocalistbob Wrote: It certainly explains why some companies are able to produce extremely consistent and symmetrical (and white) knots, brush after brush.

Bingo Bob! We have a winner :-)

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 02-13-2013, 03:00 PM
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Thanks Mark!
I like my SiLVERTiPs!

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