02-17-2013, 03:11 PM
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I'm looking at possibly picking up a Thater brush and I noticed that 2 brushes that are the same size, have the same handle and only differ in the number of bands, have a much different price. In this case, the difference is $40. I'm sure this will be a YMMV thing but is there enough of a difference to justify the extra $40?

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 02-17-2013, 03:32 PM
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Typically this would be related to the sourcing of the hair or the respective density of the brush (not sure which ones you are comparing) or it could also be simply pricing policy of either the manufacturer or vendor.

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 02-17-2013, 03:56 PM
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  • bullgoose
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Supply and Demand -There is a huge demand for two band hair and a somewhat limited supply.

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 02-17-2013, 04:15 PM
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I can tell you that 2 band hair and silvertip hair material costs do not explain the discrepancy.

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 02-17-2013, 04:49 PM
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Niche Market. Hot on the forums. If you notice that most of the retailers and rebranders that sell to the masses (3T, DrH, AoS, Muhle etc) don't carry it as a regular item, if at all

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 02-17-2013, 05:12 PM
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(02-17-2013, 04:49 PM)SteelTown Wrote: Niche Market. Hot on the forums. If you notice that most of the retailers and rebranders that sell to the masses (3T, DrH, AoS, Muhle etc) don't carry it as a regular item, if at all

It seems that now you can find two band badger hair brushes on the 3T's stores and Harris , for what some guys who visited those stores have reported.

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 02-17-2013, 08:35 PM
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It depends on the brand as well. WSP SuperFine is less expensive than the HMW (which is more costly due to scarcity) and is the same price in the Monarch series as the premium silvertip. I can tell you from experience that it is phenominal in regards to quality and performance. I know this doesn't really answer your question, but I wanted to throw it out there that not all two band brushes are more costly than the silvertip.

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 02-17-2013, 09:58 PM
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If your looking for a more affordable 2 band, check these out. I have the 24 mm brush and love it. When wet the knot feels very soft and gel like and is a lathering machine. I purchased one because the others were so expensive. They also have revived great reviews. http://shavenook.com/thread-vintage-blad...and-finest
The brushes can be found here.
http://www.vintagebladesllc.com/vshop/xc...hp?cat=240

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 02-17-2013, 11:28 PM
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TGN, Lijun, and Frank Shaving all charge less for their two band hair.

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 02-18-2013, 02:18 AM
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(02-17-2013, 11:28 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: TGN, Lijun, and Frank Shaving all charge less for their two band hair.

Same with Vie Long.
Their 2-Band are 15% cheaper Than their 3-Band Silvertip, and they openly argue that they consider their own 2-Band hair to be inferior to their 3-Band Silvertip hair.
Go figure Wink

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 02-18-2013, 01:43 PM
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(02-18-2013, 02:18 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(02-17-2013, 11:28 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: TGN, Lijun, and Frank Shaving all charge less for their two band hair.

Same with Vie Long.
Their 2-Band are 15% cheaper Than their 3-Band Silvertip, and they openly argue that they consider their own 2-Band hair to be inferior to their 3-Band Silvertip hair.
Go figure Wink

Well, if better = softer then the argument is completely valid. But people prefer 2 band hair for different reasons.

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 02-18-2013, 02:21 PM
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  • tgutc
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I prefer two band brushes so it doesn't really bother me but I've wondered what determines the price as well.

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 02-18-2013, 02:25 PM
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(02-17-2013, 03:56 PM)bullgoose Wrote: Supply and Demand -There is a huge demand for two band hair and a somewhat limited supply.

Limited supply is probably due to the fact that outside the shaving forums, there is almost no demand for 2 band hair.

Several makers/sellers tack on the word "silvertip" to two band hair.

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 02-18-2013, 06:45 PM
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(02-18-2013, 02:25 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Limited supply is probably due to the fact that outside the shaving forums, there is almost no demand for 2 band hair.

Several makers/sellers tack on the word "silvertip" to two band hair.

+1 That

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 02-18-2013, 09:37 PM
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(02-18-2013, 02:25 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Limited supply is probably due to the fact that outside the shaving forums, there is almost no demand for 2 band hair.

Several makers/sellers tack on the word "silvertip" to two band hair.

It would be convenient if you brush makers would form a standards board and establish standard hair grade guidelines. Then I would know if my "finest" brush is supposed to be in the same category as 2-band super, or not.

Get on that, okay Lee? Smile

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 02-18-2013, 09:59 PM
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(02-18-2013, 09:37 PM)Songwind Wrote: It would be convenient if you brush makers would form a standards board and establish standard hair grade guidelines. Then I would know if my "finest" brush is supposed to be in the same category as 2-band super, or not.

Get on that, okay Lee? Smile

It's harder to tell you what grade hog badger hair is used than dog badger.

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 02-21-2013, 05:40 AM
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From the note on the WSP website, It is explained that two bad hair comes from hog-badger. It seems that two band hair may come from parts of the hog-badger that would be qualified would it be a meles meles badger as best or silver-tip.

I mean that there is probably 3 or 4 different grades of two band hairs from the hog badger.
Plus I guess that real "high mountain"meles meles badger really have longer hair and could be used to make a two band brush.

So two band or finest hairs cover a vast array of different quality levels.
It is hidden from the customers so very difficult to appreciate without actually trying the brush.

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 02-21-2013, 05:57 AM
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(A bit of sarcasm, but probably true)
If you haven't had your hair dyed it awhile, the cost for the product and the process is increasing. To dye that second band takes time and skill. The same holds true for the tips. They don't naturally come that color. If the poor animal looked that way in the wild he'd be a Zebra. Wait, that's how the get the strip on the horse hair brushes(:-).

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 02-21-2013, 06:03 AM
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(02-17-2013, 05:12 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(02-17-2013, 04:49 PM)SteelTown Wrote: Niche Market. Hot on the forums. If you notice that most of the retailers and rebranders that sell to the masses (3T, DrH, AoS, Muhle etc) don't carry it as a regular item, if at all

It seems that now you can find two band badger hair brushes on the 3T's stores and Harris , for what some guys who visited those stores have reported.

Yes, you can find them, but nevertheless, they still are a niche market when compared to the rest. They not sell at such big quantities as the rest of their brush range.

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 02-21-2013, 02:58 PM
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(02-21-2013, 05:40 AM)intravenus de milo Wrote: From the note on the WSP website, It is explained that two bad hair comes from hog-badger. It seems that two band hair may come from parts of the hog-badger that would be qualified would it be a meles meles badger as best or silver-tip.

I mean that there is probably 3 or 4 different grades of two band hairs from the hog badger.
Plus I guess that real "high mountain"meles meles badger really have longer hair and could be used to make a two band brush.

So two band or finest hairs cover a vast array of different quality levels.
It is hidden from the customers so very difficult to appreciate without actually trying the brush.

Very good deductive reasoning.

And exactly right. It's easy for me to grade meles meles hair based on photos & measurements alone, but for two band hair, it's a crapshoot for the most part.

It doesn't help that brands don't even bother with different grades of 2 band hair. They all seem to lump them together.

Exception of Rooney, but what they were selling is 2 band HMW. Somerset Simpson sold the same hair as 2 band.

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