02-23-2013, 08:40 AM
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I find it interesting that VintageBlades is out of stock on all three sizes of the Rooney Heritage XL series brushes at the same time that Truefitt & Hill is, so we are told, ending their relationship with Rooney as the supplier of their top-tier brushes (or is Rooney ending their relationship with T & H?).

My first thoughts were that it's possible that Lee is getting out of the wholesale business, phasing out the Rooney name, or downsizing his factory - or all three.

As a wholesaler, he has to sell his brushes to re-sellers (Vintage & Classic) at approx. 50% of the retail price. If demand exceeds supply, then it doesn't make good business sense to sell a substantial percentage of your output at discounted prices. In addition, if you can sell half as many brushes at twice the price (M&F), then why bother with the increased overhead (larger facilities, more employees, extra bookkeeping required for two separate brands and for tracking wholesale and retail orders, etc.)?

It's possible that he simply hasn't been able to keep up with increased demand for the Heritage XL line of brushes and that this has nothing to do with the Truefitt & Hill situation, but the timing of both events makes me think that it is more than a coincidence.

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 02-23-2013, 08:46 AM
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Vintage Blades told me a couple of weeks ago that they are expecting a shipment of Rooneys in a few weeks so they may have those brushes again shortly. I had asked about a particular brush and they told me they weren't sure exactly what was coming.

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 02-23-2013, 08:58 AM
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Maybe the factory in China is not supplying more brushes to Lee or just increased the prices...
Honestly , I dont have a clue : as you , I don't think is a coincidence , but lets remember that Geo F Trumper decided to stop its "collaboration" with Simpson and went to Muhle and China to find new makers for their brushes.The same maybe happened to Truefitt and Hill , which maybe found a new , perhaps much cheaper , brush supplier.
I wont like to see Rooney out of business , I do really like their brushes.

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 02-23-2013, 09:28 AM
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All speculation - fun to speculate, but there is no data whatsoever but the statement that VB is expecting a shipment soon... And we do not know, what is in that shipment... Cool

In the meantime if you are hungry for a Emillion 2, I have one on sale...Biggrin

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 02-23-2013, 09:51 AM
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(02-23-2013, 09:28 AM)German Wrote: In the meantime if you are hungry for a Emillion 2, I have one on sale...Biggrin

And it appears to be a very fine one, at that!

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 02-23-2013, 10:57 AM
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Not to stir the pot, but if they would be more forthcoming regarding their business and their physical location, we wouldn't have these questions. It is as simple as that... Secrets and candidness don't help a company's image IMO. Having said that, like Teiste, I too think their brushes are very nice.

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 02-23-2013, 11:26 AM
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I do not care really... Rooney 3 band silvertip is as good as it gets (only Thäter is softer). And their Heritage line is excellent as well... I wish for a beehive with the original heritage hair.... Biggrin

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(02-23-2013, 10:57 AM)cessnabird Wrote: Not to stir the pot, but if they would be more forthcoming regarding their business and their physical location, we wouldn't have these questions. It is as simple as that... Secrets and candidness don't help a company's image IMO. Having said that, like Teiste, I too think their brushes are very nice.

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 02-23-2013, 11:32 AM
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I do like the look of the "XL" line up. Very classic stubby handle with a nice looking knot. I have yet to try their two band hair, but I owned and sold an "extra dense" stubby from the CS original sale and it was a very nice brush.

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 02-23-2013, 11:48 AM
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(02-23-2013, 11:26 AM)German Wrote: ... Rooney 3 band silvertip is as good as it gets...

I agree with that. They certainly are my favorite brushes. I would sure hate to see them disappear.

   

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 02-23-2013, 12:09 PM
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(02-23-2013, 10:57 AM)cessnabird Wrote: Not to stir the pot, but if they would be more forthcoming regarding their business and their physical location, we wouldn't have these questions.

You may have those questions, I certainly don't. Please don't speak for me.

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 02-23-2013, 12:10 PM
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(02-23-2013, 08:58 AM)Teiste Wrote: Maybe the factory in China is not supplying more brushes to Lee or just increased the prices...

maybe Simpson will start supplying them and they'll be twice the price and 1/2 as good Dodgy

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 02-23-2013, 12:25 PM
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(02-23-2013, 12:10 PM)Bruce Wrote:
(02-23-2013, 08:58 AM)Teiste Wrote: Maybe the factory in China is not supplying more brushes to Lee or just increased the prices...

maybe Simpson will start supplying them and they'll be twice the price and 1/2 as good Dodgy

Bruce, there is no need to knock Simpson's in every thread you get a chance to. It is getting old.

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 02-23-2013, 12:26 PM
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(02-23-2013, 12:25 PM)cessnabird Wrote:
(02-23-2013, 12:10 PM)Bruce Wrote:
(02-23-2013, 08:58 AM)Teiste Wrote: Maybe the factory in China is not supplying more brushes to Lee or just increased the prices...

maybe Simpson will start supplying them and they'll be twice the price and 1/2 as good Dodgy

Bruce, there is no need to knock Simpson's in every thread you get a chance to. It is getting old.

There is also no need to knock Rooney's in this thread.

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 02-23-2013, 12:34 PM
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Please behave like gents and refrain from personal attacks. Thank you!

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 02-23-2013, 12:35 PM
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Steve, I did not speak negatively about Rooney. I mentioned their lack of "PR" so to speak keeping rumors going regularly. I also mentioned that I really like their brushes. I also was speaking in general when I said "we", I am not intending to speak for you or everyone in general. My apologies for the generalization.

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 02-23-2013, 12:49 PM
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(02-23-2013, 12:35 PM)cessnabird Wrote: Steve, I did not speak negatively about Rooney. I mentioned their lack of "PR" so to speak keeping rumors going regularly. I also mentioned that I really like their brushes. I also was speaking in general when I said "we", I am not intending to speak for you or everyone in general. My apologies for the generalization.

Apology accepted.

About the "rumors" - I haven't seen or heard anything indicating that they are anything more than that, rumors posted on a message board. I can't take accusations made by rival brush makers very seriously, and I don't think anyone else should either.

If one is to be consistent, then they should also point out that Simpson brushes are mislabeled - the Isle of Man is not part of England. It's not even part of the UK.

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 02-23-2013, 12:56 PM
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I think we have all made our points. Let's just call a truce and keep this thread open, I am sure a mod is pretty close to commenting.

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 02-23-2013, 01:03 PM
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Gents... Let it rest.

Rooney brushes are amongst the finest there are and I do not mind their "PR" or lack thereof as long as they provide excellent shaving brushes...

As far as Simpson goes they admitted to have to change their labels... it does not change a bit about the quality of their brush making...

Let there be peace... Biggrin

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 02-23-2013, 01:25 PM
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I highly doubt that Simpson will be making more brushes for Truefitt and Hill , I vote more for Edwin Jagger/Muhle or another brand from China ,maybe?.Hope to be wrong on this one. Time will tell.

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 02-23-2013, 02:24 PM
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Change... I hate change!

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