02-25-2013, 07:48 AM
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  • Teiste
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I dont want to extend myself too much with this brush , since I already reviewed it as a prototype in the past , as you can read here : Wet Shaving Products "Chubby"

I requested this brush to Asharperrazor (this brush is not mine) to make sure that I should wait for a 24 mm version of this brush with the High Mountain White hair , since I'm more prone to like brushes with knots under 24 mm (this one has 26mm) , and now I'm not sure anymore , so not good news at all for my credit card...

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The brush has a very ergonomic handle , horn handle imitation , and its quiet heavy. Thats a plus.

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The hair density is quiet high too , but in this case , the brush its not a lather hog , but requires , of course , a good quantity of shaving cream/soap.It releases lather very well.

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Its tips are very soft , not gel alike , but more "velvety soft" (if that makes sense) and its has also a firm backbone.The flow is there but not as in other WSP models.The knot doesn't blooms too much , so its a plus for me , since I facelather most of the time.

This is a shaving soap killer , as we like to call these kind of brushes , but works excellent too with shaving creams and bowl lathering.

Yes , as I stated earlier on the thread , bad news for my credit card , I'm afraid Facepalm

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 02-25-2013, 08:22 AM
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  • Attila
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Thanks for the writeup and pics Teiste. Nice looking brush for sure. I love the colors in the handle. A bit short for me since I bowl lather, but if Lee comes out with a longer version of that handle, it may be my wallet that will be in trouble!

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 02-25-2013, 08:31 AM
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  • Songwind
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These are gorgeous, and a real temptation. I love my Prince, and another WSP brush is almost certainly in my future.

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 02-25-2013, 10:06 AM
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  • tgutc
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Beautiful brush. I'm glad to hear it releases lather well.

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 02-25-2013, 10:38 AM
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Looks like a nice brush and I like the more original design of the handle, but the price...wow. Is it worth the same price as a Chubby 2 in Best? You have used both brushes and if you had the cash which would you buy?

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 02-25-2013, 10:43 AM
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  • Howler
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Great review, excellent pictures. Looks like it is a very dense brush.

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 02-25-2013, 11:25 AM
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  • Teiste
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(02-25-2013, 10:38 AM)SteelTown Wrote: Looks like a nice brush and I like the more original design of the handle, but the price...wow. Is it worth the same price as a Chubby 2 in Best? You have used both brushes and if you had the cash which would you buy?

This one has much softer tips (and whiter) than the Chubby 2 in best , but the Chubby 2 in best has 2mm more of knot.Both basically have the same backbone/flow , and while both have the same kind of hibryd knot , the Chubby 2 is a little bit more fan shaped.

Which one would I choose ? Hard to say.I havent bought this one (the WSP ) yet , but I can see myself buying it since the HMW hair is quiet luxurious and not that quiet common.So I will have both the Chubby 2 and this one (and maybe a Rooney 1/3 too in silvertip , or a D.R. Harris H3 in best badger....)

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 02-25-2013, 07:54 PM
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Good luck with the purchase, Teiste! Biggrin

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 02-25-2013, 07:57 PM
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Very nice review Teiste, it sounds like this one won't be making it back to Lee.

Do you notice much of a difference between the Beta version and this lower lofted one? The Beta stubby is a great brush and I suspect this one is just as good if not better with a possible increased backbone due to the ~2mm lower loft.

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 02-25-2013, 10:06 PM
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  • Teiste
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(02-25-2013, 07:57 PM)cessnabird Wrote: Very nice review Teiste, it sounds like this one won't be making it back to Lee.

Do you notice much of a difference between the Beta version and this lower lofted one? The Beta stubby is a great brush and I suspect this one is just as good if not better with a possible increased backbone due to the ~2mm lower loft.

The backbone is firmer , but the flow is still the same , so you can imagine how this one performs for face lathering.

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 02-25-2013, 11:45 PM
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(02-25-2013, 10:06 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(02-25-2013, 07:57 PM)cessnabird Wrote: Very nice review Teiste, it sounds like this one won't be making it back to Lee.

Do you notice much of a difference between the Beta version and this lower lofted one? The Beta stubby is a great brush and I suspect this one is just as good if not better with a possible increased backbone due to the ~2mm lower loft.

The backbone is firmer , but the flow is still the same , so you can imagine how this one performs for face lathering.

That's what I was hoping to hear. Very good.

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 03-20-2013, 04:02 AM
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Beautiful brush and another excellent review!

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 03-20-2013, 04:46 AM
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  • ben74
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Good looking brush, great review (as always) Teiste!

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 03-20-2013, 08:18 AM
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I ordered one of these a good week ago and it just arrived on Monday. It's great to read your reviews right before I give this baby a run.

Thanks, Teiste!

Michael

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 03-20-2013, 08:35 AM
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  • Teiste
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(03-20-2013, 08:18 AM)monarch2001 Wrote: I ordered one of these a good week ago and it just arrived on Monday. It's great to read your reviews right before I give this baby a run.

Thanks, Teiste!

Michael

You are welcome.Let is know what you think of it , please.

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 03-22-2013, 09:45 PM
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  • Andrew
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I was astonished to see the price on this brush. Am I the only one that thinks a price of $170 is on par with brushes by more established operations like Rooney, Simpsons, and Shavemac? Your review has me intrigued, Teiste, but I cannot rationalize spending $170 on one of these. $100, sure.

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 03-22-2013, 09:58 PM
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(03-22-2013, 09:45 PM)Andrew Wrote: I was astonished to see the price on this brush. Am I the only one that thinks a price of $170 is on par with brushes by more established operations like Rooney, Simpsons, and Shavemac? Your review has me intrigued, Teiste, but I cannot rationalize spending $170 on one of these. $100, sure.

No kidding. When you want to buy a Chubby 2 knockoff, you expect to pay less than the cost of a Chubby 2. Biggrin

Jokes aside, perhaps someone could get in touch with the Chinese company that makes this brush and inquire how much they charge for it.

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 03-22-2013, 10:04 PM
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  • Teiste
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(03-22-2013, 09:45 PM)Andrew Wrote: I was astonished to see the price on this brush. Am I the only one that thinks a price of $170 is on par with brushes by more established operations like Rooney, Simpsons, and Shavemac? Your review has me intrigued, Teiste, but I cannot rationalize spending $170 on one of these. $100, sure.

The hair is quiet unique , to be honest , Andrew.So unique to be worthy that price?Well , its very similar to old Plisson HMW , which , for me , its the Holy Grail of badger hair brushes.

Im also Im aware of how the Chinese have raised badger hair prices , due to a project with Semogue for the Spanish forum http://www.foroafeitado.com (the horn handle brush) , and I wont be very surprise to see prices going up in the next months (once again).I think that this is getting a little bit out of hand for special badger hair grades.

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 03-23-2013, 01:37 AM
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(03-22-2013, 09:45 PM)Andrew Wrote: I was astonished to see the price on this brush. Am I the only one that thinks a price of $170 is on par with brushes by more established operations like Rooney, Simpsons, and Shavemac? Your review has me intrigued, Teiste, but I cannot rationalize spending $170 on one of these. $100, sure.

I'd love to charge less, but I cannot do so and maintain a normal profit margin.

The Stubby in Premium Silvertip (if I ever get around to releasing it) is only $120. And that's for a 26mm knot in an acrylic handle (costs 2x as much as resin) with 20% more hair than the already pretty well packed normal line.

It's hard enough just finding someone to sell the HMW hair. Plisson has got that locked down very well. There's a very good reason they maintain a monopoly on the stuff.

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 03-23-2013, 03:29 AM
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(03-22-2013, 09:58 PM)squatzilla801 Wrote:
(03-22-2013, 09:45 PM)Andrew Wrote: I was astonished to see the price on this brush. Am I the only one that thinks a price of $170 is on par with brushes by more established operations like Rooney, Simpsons, and Shavemac? Your review has me intrigued, Teiste, but I cannot rationalize spending $170 on one of these. $100, sure.

No kidding. When you want to buy a Chubby 2 knockoff, you expect to pay less than the cost of a Chubby 2. Biggrin

Jokes aside, perhaps someone could get in touch with the Chinese company that makes this brush and inquire how much they charge for it.

You're comparing this to a Chubby 2 in best? That's not a proper comparison. To get a better idea try comparing it to a Chubby 2 in Super. The HMW hair is far superior to even Simpsons Best. BTW, a Chubby 2 in Super from Simpsons is currently around $285. So you can have a "knockoff" as you call it with as good of a knot if not better for more than $100 less.

I'm sure if you'd put the money up for a minimum run of brushes & didn't mind selling them at a loss or no profit then you'd find many happy shavers ready to buy them from you. However, I doubt that you'd do that more than once.

Edit: While I cannot comment on the comparison to Plisson HMW, I have no reason not to take Teiste's word on the matter and at least realize that they are close. So wouldn't the best comparison be to consider the price of a Plisson HMW brush with similar specs? I bet there will be more than a $100 savings when this comparison is made.

Sure you don't get the brush from a manufacturer that's been helping our grandfathers shave, but to paraphrase a friend, you also don't lather with a company's reputation. If you are going to call price into question then you need to look at the comps as they say in the housing market. A Simspon Chubby 2 Best may have the same square footage as this WSP Stubby HMW, but the upgrades haven't been considered yet. If your comps are unreasonable then so will be your expectations.

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