03-05-2013, 03:58 PM
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I've recently purchased my first two-band (High Mountain) brush, and am still deciding if such a knot is good for me.

At first, despite its generally soft tips, it was VERY firm and scrubby. In many ways it felt like a broken-in, but short-lofted, boar brush. It definitely has softened a little over approx. 6-7 uses. However, I tend to like a very soft brush to face lather. Do two-band brushes usually break-in like boars, and if so, how long until it reaches its optimal softness?

Thanks.

High Mountain Brush - 22mm knot; ~55mm loft
   

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 03-05-2013, 04:06 PM
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  • MickToley
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Keep on using it and it will get softer.

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 03-05-2013, 04:30 PM
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  • Dave
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A 2 Band Brush will not break in like a boar. It will soften, but it will not go from scritchy to super soft over time.

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 03-05-2013, 04:33 PM
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I've never noticed a badger brush to get "softer", but I have noticed them "open up" more. In other words, the hairs will splay & bend more. Usually this is with very densely packed knots.

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 03-05-2013, 04:51 PM
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The tips do tend to bend. IMO this can make them feel softer, but not the dramatic transformation that a boar can go through.

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 03-05-2013, 04:55 PM
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I've only noticed Shavemac D01 2-Band hair to actually soften up with usage.

The Shavemac 2-Band hair is the most dense and stiffest badger hair I have ever tested and used. It definitely needs a break in period IMHO.

Edit Forgot about the old Rooney Finest 2-Band hair.....it also benefits from breaking in.....definitely so.

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 03-05-2013, 04:57 PM
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(03-05-2013, 04:55 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: I've only noticed Shavemac D01 2-Band hair to actually soften up with usage.

The Shavemac 2-Band hair is the most dense and stiffest badger hair I have ever tested and used. It definitely needs a break in period IMHO.

Edit Forgot about the old Rooney Finest 2-Band hair.....it also benefits from breaking in.....definitely so.

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 03-05-2013, 05:08 PM
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The brush has definitely softened / increased its splay. I'll give it some more time.

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 03-05-2013, 05:09 PM
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  • Teiste
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Depending on the batch of hair and type of two band hair (there are several kinds of two band badger hair , like 3 band badger) will soften , but , as Dave pointed , not from scritchy/scratchy to soft/extra soft.

By the way , your brush looks fantastic.

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 03-05-2013, 06:41 PM
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(03-05-2013, 05:09 PM)Teiste Wrote: Depending on the batch of hair and type of two band hair (there are several kinds of two band badger hair , like 3 band badger) will soften , but , as Dave pointed , not from scritchy/scratchy to soft/extra soft.

By the way , your brush looks fantastic.

Thank you. I also think that I have been interpreting the increased splay as a softer feel to the brush.

It's difficult enough trying to ascertain and compare the quality of regular badger hair among manufacturers, now apparently two-band is just as confusing.Confused I was also recently dismayed to learn from a post by Leon that Semogue even produces different grades of boar hair brushes. Let's not even discuss synthetics and your recent reports about the new version of the Muhle Silvertip Fibre, or our recent discussion on the variety of horse hair . . . Huh

As an aside, Lee's guide to badger hair on his WSP website is excellent.

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 03-05-2013, 07:24 PM
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A 55mm loft on a 22mm knot sounds high to me. I'd expect this loft to make this brush less resilient & softer feeling with greater splay. If this feels tough to you then I'd suggest sticking w/ 3-band brushes.

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 03-05-2013, 07:37 PM
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(03-05-2013, 07:24 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: A 55mm loft on a 22mm knot sounds high to me. I'd expect this loft to make this brush less resilient & softer feeling with greater splay. If this feels tough to you then I'd suggest sticking w/ 3-band brushes.

I think that I may just find two-bands a little prickly when all is said and done. You may be right that I'm just a silvertip sort of guy, although I do like my soft horse, plush synthetic, and broken-in boar.

I also agree that the loft is probably a little high, at least for me. Although I like a very soft brush, I now realize that in a 22mm brush, a 50-52mm loft would most appropriate for most hair types. Unfortunately, a shorter loft was not a choice when I ordered the brush (and the other matching brushes in the set).

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 03-05-2013, 08:23 PM
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  • Crag
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You may want to try a Shavemac Finest. It is the best of both worlds and, IMO, one of the best all around brushes there is. It offers the softness of a silvertip, but the backbone of a 2-band. It's great with soaps and creams alike, and excels with face lathering or bowl lathering. It is a great all around brush. Ther are a plethora of sellers now for these brushes...google it and find one...They are also very reasonably priced IMO.

Teiste wrote a great review about them HERE. There is another great review HERE Too.

Good Luck!

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 03-09-2013, 12:20 PM
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All my badgers have softened after the 10th lather or so.

The Finest m&f softened the most. The Manchurian a teeny bit. The Simpsons 2 band significantly.

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