03-08-2013, 08:59 PM
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  • ben74
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Apparently the Muhle R41 Tooth Comb has been quietly tamed down.

I hope Elbe doesn't mind, but I have paraphrased below, what he has posted elsewhere...

It is understood that the R41 was silently augmented by Mühle last year (possibly in July or August).

To be clear the distinction is NOT being made between the 2009/2010 R41, which is an OPEN comb (not too unlike the Gillette Old or Merkur 1904).

The 2011 released R41 TOOTH comb has recently been modified. The top cap has grown from 18.8 mm wide to 20.2 mm wide.

The way to tell which version you have is compare it with the top cap of the R89, if it's smaller you have the "untamed beast".

Also a special mention to Andrew, who brought this to my attention.

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 03-08-2013, 09:05 PM
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  • Andrew
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What gets me is that this change was apparently made last Summer (2012). Did I miss the discussion of this that should have taken place last year?

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 03-08-2013, 09:06 PM
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Obviously we all did Andrew!

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 03-08-2013, 09:20 PM
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Come to think of it, early last year we saw a number of threads/posts about forum members' first shaves with the "beast" known as the new R41. These threads tapered off quite a bit toward the end of the year, and I noticed more positive write ups of the razor later in the year. This is all a vague recollection and gestalt - I haven't gone through all the old posts.

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 03-08-2013, 09:44 PM
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  • Agravic
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Hmmm ... interesting.

I still think the R41 is beastly though ... no rush over here to pull it out of storage! Too many equally effective and more enjoyable alternatives for me ... Biggrin.

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 03-08-2013, 09:52 PM
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I'm glad I bought a 2nd "untamed beast" when I had the chance! My first shavepocalypse averted.

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 03-08-2013, 10:06 PM
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  • tgutc
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That's interesting we will have to wait until one of our members buy a new and compares to an old. I'd like to know how much milder it is.

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 03-08-2013, 10:19 PM
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(03-08-2013, 10:06 PM)tgutc Wrote: That's interesting we will have to wait until one of our members buy a new and compares to an old. I'd like to know how much milder it is.

+1 Regardless, i am in no hurry to try even the "milder" one from my second and last experience! Biggrin

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 03-08-2013, 11:10 PM
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How will anyone know which is which if buying from a vendor...unless the vendor advertises this fact? Can one tell be merely looking at a picture?

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 03-08-2013, 11:36 PM
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Shaun, when I bought my first '11 R41 from Connaught they advertised the fact that it was an '11 and also that they had a few '10s remaining for sale. Maybe they would know and could advise?

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 03-09-2013, 12:17 AM
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  • ben74
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2010 was a completely different model (open comb), while the 2011 is the current tooth comb and the topic of this discussion. Visibly there is a difference between the untamed tooth comb and the tamed, but only a slight one in width.

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 03-09-2013, 12:41 AM
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(03-08-2013, 10:06 PM)tgutc Wrote: That's interesting we will have to wait until one of our members buy a new and compares to an old. I'd like to know how much milder it is.

I took the role of the guinea pig already. Bought the R41 on the very first day it was released. Found it to be too aggressive for me. WTG was OK, but ATG or XTG was very unpleasant. And why only one pass with the grain, when your brush is loaded for four shaves? So I sold it. A pity, as from an aesthetic standpoint I found the razor to be very attractive.

More and more rave reports, so I decided to give it another try. Bought another R41. But still no loving relationship. Did not sell it this time, had my lesson learned and put it into the drawer. One never knows.

Then the news with the tamed beast. Bought that one. And yes, it really is smoother than the original version and still very effective. Liked it more than the first version. But still I did not like it that much to make it part of my rotation. Still I found it unpleasant to go across or against the grain.

Long story short: Sold both in the meantime. I came to the conclusion that Mühle's R41 is not meant for me. A pity, really, as it is a very beautiful razor.

(03-08-2013, 11:10 PM)Shaun Wrote: How will anyone know which is which if buying from a vendor...unless the vendor advertises this fact? Can one tell be merely looking at a picture?

It was a silent modification. I guess that many vendors aren't even aware of the fact, that there are two versions around. Ask the vendor, if he recently stocked up. In that case you'll get a new one. Or order direct from Mühle.

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 03-09-2013, 01:23 AM
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Does anyone know if the Rose Gold R41 currently offered by Muhle is the tamed or untamed version?

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 03-09-2013, 01:25 AM
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99.9% sure it's the tamed version. That's in production now for more than half a year.

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 03-09-2013, 01:28 AM
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Thanks Elbe, I was hoping it would be the "girlie" version! Tongue

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 03-09-2013, 01:33 AM
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  • Teiste
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We have a thread over at http://www.foroafeitado.com regarding this , with a lot of pics and members experiences with both open comb heads : Muhle R41 2011

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 03-09-2013, 01:41 AM
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Thanks Teiste, looking at HeliVela's pictures there is more of a difference to the blade exposure than I would have expected.

See here...

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 03-09-2013, 03:12 AM
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I bought one a while ago and it's a good razor, was expecting to get nicks after reading all the topics about it. Good clean shaves with no blood at all but it's not my favorite razor, not even close.

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 03-09-2013, 04:18 AM
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(03-09-2013, 12:41 AM)Elbe Wrote:
(03-08-2013, 10:06 PM)tgutc Wrote: That's interesting we will have to wait until one of our members buy a new and compares to an old. I'd like to know how much milder it is.

I took the role of the guinea pig already. Bought the R41 on the very first day it was released. Found it to be too aggressive for me. WTG was OK, but ATG or XTG was very unpleasant. And why only one pass with the grain, when your brush is loaded for four shaves? So I sold it. A pity, as from an aesthetic standpoint I found the razor to be very attractive.

More and more rave reports, so I decided to give it another try. Bought another R41. But still no loving relationship. Did not sell it this time, had my lesson learned and put it into the drawer. One never knows.

Then the news with the tamed beast. Bought that one. And yes, it really is smoother than the original version and still very effective. Liked it more than the first version. But still I did not like it that much to make it part of my rotation. Still I found it unpleasant to go across or against the grain.

Long story short: Sold both in the meantime. I came to the conclusion that Mühle's R41 is not meant for me. A pity, really, as it is a very beautiful razor.

(03-08-2013, 11:10 PM)Shaun Wrote: How will anyone know which is which if buying from a vendor...unless the vendor advertises this fact? Can one tell be merely looking at a picture?

It was a silent modification. I guess that many vendors aren't even aware of the fact, that there are two versions around. Ask the vendor, if he recently stocked up. In that case you'll get a new one. Or order direct from Mühle.

Thanks for the info. Sounds like it's still way to aggressive for me. They would have had to tame it a lot for me to give it a shot.

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 03-09-2013, 05:04 AM
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Interesting-
I am going to dig out my calipers and measure mine today.

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