03-18-2013, 04:35 PM
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It's becoming more and more difficult for me to know what to believe and how to judge brushes when a steadily increasing number of vendors are now offering "Finest," "Manchurian," and "High Mountain" badger hairs. Does anyone else feel any bewilderment - or skepticism - about these claims?

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 03-18-2013, 04:39 PM
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Don't they all come from one place anyway ?

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 03-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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I have been wondering the same thing. Especially when the latest offers their Manchurian for less than their Silvertip and 2 BandHuh.

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 03-18-2013, 04:44 PM
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(03-18-2013, 04:39 PM)Malakas1981 Wrote: Don't they all come from one place anyway ?

From Manchuria? More or less. I think the hog badgers are trapped further south (based on heat maps of their range), but all the dealers are located in the north.

Most of the "real stuff" is bought up by Plisson.

You'd have to ask Mark what the current Manchurian hair really is.

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 03-18-2013, 04:47 PM
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(03-18-2013, 04:44 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Most of the "real stuff" is bought up by Plisson.

Ah - so Plisson has an inside track for getting the "real" High Mountain White?

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 03-18-2013, 04:55 PM
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(03-18-2013, 04:52 PM)bullgoose Wrote:
(03-18-2013, 04:35 PM)churchilllafemme Wrote: It's becoming more and more difficult for me to know what to believe and how to judge brushes when a steadily increasing number of vendors are now offering "Finest," "Manchurian," and "High Mountain" badger hairs. Does anyone else feel any bewilderment - or skepticism - about these claims?

I think I will come up with a new designation -Emperor's Badger. Cool

Phil, to make it sound more awesome try this:
"Emperor's ULTIMATE Badger!"
Biggrin

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 03-18-2013, 04:57 PM
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According to German based Wiborg Shaving (who is a member here)...

"The manchurian badger hair, also called high mountain badger hair, comes from animals that live in the mountain area in the northeast of China, where it can get very cold in the winter. The manchurian badger hair is a very strong and thick hair, at the same time it has also luxurious soft tips. "

So the distinction between grades is lessened. Manchurian and HMW are deemed (by Wiborg at least) as the same grade of hair.

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 03-18-2013, 05:02 PM
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(03-18-2013, 04:47 PM)churchilllafemme Wrote:
(03-18-2013, 04:44 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Most of the "real stuff" is bought up by Plisson.

Ah - so Plisson has an inside track for getting the "real" High Mountain White?

They have output contracts with all the hair graders. There's also the barrier of trade language. Can't buy something if you don't know what it is.

That's why it is so hard to source it and why the cost is so high. Plisson pays a very high price for HMW first grade. Second grade is a little easier to obtain. Silvertip first grade is even easier and is advertised by most knot makers. Silvertip second and third grade comprises the vast bulk of the actual silvertip hair from a badger pelt. The rest is gray and pure badger.

No comment about this new brush manufacturer, but I share the already expressed sentiment that it's kind of weird that the hair is less expensive than the silvertip variant.

(03-18-2013, 04:57 PM)ben74 Wrote: So the distinction between grades is lessened. Manchurian and HMW are deemed (by Wiborg at least) as the same grade of hair.

Somerset Manchurian is the same as HMW.

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 03-18-2013, 05:31 PM
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Is getting a bit confusing.However , there are so many differences between silvertip hair used by maker X and maker Y , as two band hair used by maker A and B , that I just accept it.
Quiet complicating to established a system to recognized all the badger hair grades , when they could even differ from batch to batch.

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 03-18-2013, 05:37 PM
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Quite correct Teiste! There certainly exists noticeable differences within a particular hair grade from batch to batch...

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 03-18-2013, 05:41 PM
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(03-18-2013, 05:37 PM)ben74 Wrote: Quite correct Teiste! There certainly exists noticeable differences within a particular hair grade from batch to batch...

So standardized its very difficult .You have tried several brushes from the same maker and the same badger hair grade , and you now that some , even with the same knot , loft and density measures , feel different.
However , I know that they are special badger hair grades out there , and some of them , have been a real pleasure to use , like vintage Plisson HMW or current HMW by WSP.

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 03-19-2013, 09:40 AM
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I want a brush that has a knot of hair from my hero............THE AFRICAN HONEYBADGER! The brush could be called "The Badass". 'Nuff said.

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 03-19-2013, 09:58 AM
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We've been standardizing our hair grades as best we can with a natural product for nearly 100 years.

The educated man might make the assumption that hair descriptions created since Simpson started brushmaking could have been done so in an effort to muddy the waters so like for like comparisons could never be made ...

In essence, marketing designed to confuse but lure.

We feel very comfortable with the annotation attached to the hair gradings offered by Vulfix & Simpson. They've been around for a long, long time.

Mark

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 03-19-2013, 04:31 PM
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A honey badger brush would jump off the stand, wet itself down, lather up and do a full assault and battery on your face. You wouldn't need a razor, it would chew down the hairs on it's own power! The Chuck Norris of brushes! Biggrin

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