04-10-2013, 04:24 PM
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Hey Guys!
Hoping you can help. I'm having a brush made by Elite Razor and I want to make it perfect for me. I have a few brushes so I have an idea of what I like. I recently converted from face lathering to bowl lathering, although will probably do both from time to time.

I seem to favor my Whipped Dog silvertip 24mm, it's so soft, but it is a bit floppy. After reading great reviews of the Wet Shaving Products HMW knots, that's what I'm having put in the brush, but I'm trying to decide on what to set the loft at. I was thinking...52mm...any thoughts?

Sorry for the wall of text, but I appreciate the help.

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 04-10-2013, 04:32 PM
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What do you want to favor?

Here are some general rules of thumb based on a 20 - 22 mm knot.
Now the type of hair/fiber, knot type (fan/bulb/hybrid) and density will make differences as well. Size of the knot will also make a difference. At 30 mm will have different setting options than a 20 mm due to more material and less flex for example.

Shorter lofts 42 - 50 mm tend to favor face lathering.

Medium lofts 48 - 56 mm tend to favor a mixed use brush.

Long lofts 54 mm and beyond tend to favor a bowl lathering brush.

This is not concrete absolutes, just some ideas (not the use of the word favor).

Good fortune.

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 04-10-2013, 04:39 PM
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It would help to know the knot diameter.

I presume it's the 23mm knot. I have this exact knot in a custom Elite7 handle by Bob. My 23mm knot is set at a loft of 50mm & I find it perfect. I do face lather exclusively.

For a point of reference I believe that the WSP Monarch HMW brush is a 23/53 knot.

Edit: looks like the current loft is listed at 51mm. So even the production run has seen the loft dropped 2mm.

Since you say the WD Silvertip is floppy I'd suggest keeping the loft close to 50 & just getting a handle that will be comfortable with either bowl or face lathering.

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 04-10-2013, 04:48 PM
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Yes I forgot to add that It's the 23/34mm knot. My fear with going with a 50mm loft is that I have an M&F L7 which is 24/50 and it's not great, but that could be the blonde badger knot and not the loft itself....

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 04-10-2013, 04:52 PM
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I've not used a M&F brush (UnChosen), but from reading a lot on them I'd venture to say that the HMW knot will be softer & less dense, unless you're getting the stubby extra dense knot.

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 04-10-2013, 04:57 PM
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All I see listed on their site is "High Density Knots", but I did ask Bob to drill the hole a little wider so it has room to bloom more, figuring that would ease up the density.

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 04-10-2013, 05:03 PM
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The High Density is a great all around density. It's not Simpson Chubby dense (the WSP Stubby "extra dense" would be closest to that), but more dense than either the Vulfix or EJ knot I've used. A wider hole & more bloom will lead to a softer brush. Softer brush & higher loft may lead to floppy.

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 04-10-2013, 05:06 PM
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So you're saying it's probably a bad idea to have him drill it wider AND set it at 52mm, I should choose one or the other? You're HMW 50mm is nice and soft and isn't a lather hog or too dense?

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 04-10-2013, 05:49 PM
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(04-10-2013, 05:06 PM)Skinny Wrote: So you're saying it's probably a bad idea to have him drill it wider AND set it at 52mm, I should choose one or the other? You're HMW 50mm is nice and soft and isn't a lather hog or too dense?

My WSP HMW 23/50 maintains super soft tips while giving nice backbone. My Monarch HMW 23/53 is much softer. I still enjoy it immensely, it is just a more luxurious feeling. I don't like a lot of bloom on my brushes. I sold my Simpson Commodore X2 because it bloomed too much. It all depends what you're really after. Are you wanting something with a similar feel to your WD, or different?

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 04-10-2013, 06:10 PM
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I suppose I'm looking for something with a similar feel as far as softness and bloom go, but less flop. The WD is 55mm, so i figured having the HMW set at 52 would give me a nice in-between height, but having it drilled a little bit more would allow it to bloom, I felt that the difference from 50-52 wouldn't make much of a negative impact but could give me a little more softness and bloom. Now I'm second guessing myself. Bob just ordered the knot yesterday so I know he hasn't started but I don't want to drive him crazy either.

thank you for all your help with this.

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 04-10-2013, 07:23 PM
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Ok, I thought you wanted something more different than your WD. In this case go for 52 & let it bloom a bit. The HMW hair is more resilient than the WD so it should still have more backbone (less flop) while remaining very soft.

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 04-10-2013, 07:43 PM
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Awesome, thanks so much for your help Brian, you've been fantastic. - Greg

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 04-10-2013, 07:49 PM
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Being a face latherer, my favotire Badger brushes are roughly 24/46 or 26/48 in 2band (or boar). Even bowl lathering would require some backbone, but maybe a bit more loft (<54)

JMHO

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 04-10-2013, 08:07 PM
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(04-10-2013, 07:49 PM)PanchoVilla Wrote: Being a face latherer, my favotire Badger brushes are roughly 24/46 or 26/48 in 2band (or boar). Even bowl lathering would require some backbone, but maybe a bit more loft (<54)

JMHO

I appreciate the help, If this were a month ago I'd be looking for a face lathering brush, but something made me switch lately...not sure if it's a permanent switch though.

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