04-11-2013, 10:26 AM
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Hi,

I read reports that some vie-long brushes developed a "hole" in the middle of the knot when used in circular motion over a long period of time.
Does it happen with all models or some models are better than other?
Also, how does horse hair compare, knot/loft - wise to badger.
For badger, I'd rather stick with 24mm at 48-50mm loft size for face lathering, how do the the off-the-shelf Vie-Longs compare? they have a rather long loft, if it were badger those would be very floppy.

Any thoughts?

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 04-11-2013, 10:53 AM
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You can request custom lofts. I had issues with one (12651) brown natural....I face lathered and it got knotted up. They sent me a replacement, and advised I used a shorter loft.
I also ordered a white hair (14095B) in 48 loft, but I can tell you I don't really like to face lather these now. I would prefer it, but won't because I think the same thing may happen.
I think I will only use them on the rare occasion I want to use a bowl and cream...

This from Juan at gifts and care...

"I have seem a few cases with this issue. I had this debate with supplier a few times. I know the answer; they don’t recommend to do circular movements when face lathering, Nowadays this is a kind of “standard” recommendation from most brands. This is one of the reasons why we offered “loft custom” option. This one is recommended when face lathering or using hard soaps. My personal opinion (I may be wrong of course!) is that due to horse hair characteristics standard lofts from Vie-Long 55-57mm are not the most appropriates for face lathering or when making leather on hard soaps.
Also when doing circular movements in the chin you see same effect on the horse hair brushes with standard loft. "

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 04-11-2013, 11:16 AM
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I havent't had any problems with my Vie-Long Beehive Butterscotch from Bullgooose. Great for face lathering hard soaps (which I use often). I also tend to use too much pressure when lathering (working on that).

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 04-11-2013, 11:18 AM
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  • Johnny
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Get one of these from Phil.

   

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 04-11-2013, 12:17 PM
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david1201 and Johnny:
How long have you been using your VL brushes in this manner?

isn't 25mm/55mm floppy for face-lathering?

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 04-11-2013, 12:22 PM
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I've got 15-20 lathers on mine. I thought it had a loft closer to 52mm.

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 04-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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... And now there are two beehive brushes:
the butterscotch with 35% mane hair and 65% tail hair
and
the ivory color with 50% mane hair and 50% tail hair
...
how do they differ?

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 04-11-2013, 12:39 PM
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More tail hair means a stiffer brush - get the 35/65.

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 04-11-2013, 09:42 PM
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  • Shaun
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i find horse prickles a bit

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 04-11-2013, 10:21 PM
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  • Johnny
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(04-11-2013, 12:17 PM)Galhatz Wrote: david1201 and Johnny:
How long have you been using your VL brushes in this manner?

isn't 25mm/55mm floppy for face-lathering?

It's one of the better face lathering brushes I have. Not floppy at all.

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 04-12-2013, 10:45 AM
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Good luck with finding a horse for your face-lathering needs. Biggrin
i wish i could have kept mine, but i found all of them to be a bit too scritchy.

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 04-12-2013, 10:51 AM
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(04-12-2013, 10:45 AM)celestino Wrote: Good luck with finding a horse for your face-lathering needs. Biggrin
i wish i could have kept mine, but i found all of them to be a bit too scritchy.

This was my experience as well. I have zero intentions on buying another horse. I did just jump in & pick up a new little piggy though. Cool

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 04-12-2013, 02:00 PM
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  • blzrfn
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I have the Bullgoose LE Beehive Dyed Hair brush and it is just a bit too scritchy to comfortably face lather with. I have been told that I should try and break it in and soak it for longer before giving up on it so I have been palm lathering every night and will be giving it a shot Monday morning. If it hasn't improved in the slightest it will be getting a haircut and new wig.

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 04-14-2013, 09:12 AM
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(04-11-2013, 11:18 AM)Johnny Wrote: Get one of these from Phil.

That's a very pretty brush, Johnny. I have a Vie-Long brown 'orse, their cheapest model with this hair and I quite like it. The loft could do with being 3 or 4mm shorter but apart from that, aye, it'll do me nicely. I bought it simply to try the hair with a view to cracking the knot out and popping it into a carved handle so lowering the loft isn't a problem. Perhaps a little scritchy but not like pure badger and it is a very pretty knot with good flow. Has a nice rustic appearance and I'm looking forward to getting some wood wrapped around it.

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 04-21-2013, 12:11 PM
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The J.L. Petree is great for face lathering, the loft on mine is ~50mm which is at the high end of my face lathering Horse Brushes.

I use circular motions with all three of my Horses and never had the "gap" develop, less pressure than with a Badger or Boar is needed and it builds lather quickly.

Horse hairs are a bit prickly out of the box but do soften with use, my 45mm lofted Horse has been in use since 2010, and it's softness compares favorably to my Shavemac Finest. The backbone remains very firm and I use it for soaps & creams.

The J.L. Petree had a few White Hairs that were very thick & prickly/irritating. Using a small nail clipper & plenty of patience, I slowly found the bigger ones and clipped them ~1/2 way down the shaft retaining the backbone and eliminating the harshness of the thicker quills.

My other Horses are 45mm & 47mm, from Gifts & Care, customized lofts are done free of charge. When checking out stated the requested loft in the comments section, this will add a few days to delivery.

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