05-23-2013, 01:24 AM
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I've decided that I deserve a new high end brush, and recently came across Kim Son natural cattle horn and bone handles and complete brushes. Actual horn handles at those prices appear too good to be true. However, after searching for reviews, I found very little and most mentions were quite old.

Can anyone offer any current insight as to the quality of both the handles as well as the completed silvertip brushes?

Thanks.

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 05-23-2013, 02:22 AM
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The Kimson brushes are awesome. The silvertip knot feels very luxurious and very soft. The handle is well made and perfectly polished.

Here you can see some pics of my Kimson with 24mm knot which is actually bigger than 24mm.

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And here some compared to a Thäter (26mm knot) and a Simpson Chubby 2:

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I have recommedend this brush to 2 friends and their are both happy with their Kimson brushes. But one of those friends ordered a 22mm knot as the 24mm was too big for him.

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 05-23-2013, 02:48 AM
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SLB04, beautiful brush! I, too, am interested in the 24mm knot. Do you find the brush at all floppy? I face lather and the claimed 57+mm loft has me a little concerned.

Also, my search revealed than the delivery time could be excessive and the proprietor was not always responsive. When did you order your brush and how was the experience?

Thanks again.

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 05-23-2013, 03:12 AM
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I concur with Alex's words.
Kimson Vu knots are lovely and very luxurious. The softness of the tips is outstanding - in that parameter they play on the same league than my T&H/Rooney and my Thäter silvertips.

Here's some photos of my Kimsons:

This one is the older one, bought from Teiste 2 years ago or so, extremely soft and luxurious. The knot is a little larger than 24mm (maybe 25-26 would be more accurate.

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This one is more recent, bought in Dec.2011. The handle is darker in colour, the hair is equally soft and luxurious at the tips, but the knot itself has more backbone, despite the slightly larger loft when compared to the previous one.

Photo on arrival:

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SoTD Photo:

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I cannot speak for the maker's responsiveness, because in both cases, I didn't bought the brushes to him; the first one I bought it from Teiste, and the second one was bought at a group-buy in the spanish forum.

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 05-23-2013, 03:18 AM
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IMO, you would be better off finding a local artisan. Any number of folks are capable of making what you want. I ordered once. Communication was spotty at best and unless it is something pre-made forget whatever date he tells you. I was told 6 weeks and it was closer to 6 months. A number of years ago, I had a friend at another forum order pistol grips from him and it was over a 2 year ordeal.

It is your money and maybe you will get lucky, but IMO you would be better patronizing someone else.

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 05-23-2013, 03:37 AM
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Dale, the delays certainly warrant concern. However, what brush did you order and did it meet you expectations?

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 05-23-2013, 04:03 AM
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Well, I ordered my brush 2012 February, 3rd and received it 17 days later in Germany.

The brush I ordered has a 25mm knot and a loft of 55mm. I have no problem with face-lathering but I would say that it is not the brush with the best Backbone.

What kind of brushes do you have?

Shavemac has some nice horn handles as well and a D01 knot would probably be better for face-latherers. But you would definitely be in a different price range.

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 05-23-2013, 04:20 AM
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(05-23-2013, 03:37 AM)branford Wrote: Dale, the delays certainly warrant concern. However, what brush did you order and did it meet you expectations?

I originally ordered a bone handle brush. Already well past the promised delivery date, I had to hound him with emails and found out that he broke it and it would be another 2 months. At that point I asked for a refund and he offered to send me a horn handled one instead. I agreed and received it a few weeks later. The quality of both the handle and the knot were very nice, but the loft was way too high for me. There was very little backbone and it was terrible for face lathering. I used it a few times and ended up gifting it to a friend that uses a scuttle. He loves it, but the whole process really soured me on him and his product. I have a hard time recommending any Kimson Vu products to anyone.

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 05-23-2013, 04:22 AM
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Akex, my small collection is lower and mid-level brushes - EJ, Omega, Whipped Dog, VDH, etc. I'm now looking for a step-up in quality and appearance, but if possible, keep the total cost below $150, preferably around $100-125.

I'm also considering the daVinci 290 or 293. Do you have any experience with the daVinci brushes, and if so, how would you compare them to the Kim Son?

Thanks.

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 05-23-2013, 08:16 AM
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Alex is the man to talk about the DaVinci brushes, for sure!

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 05-23-2013, 08:22 AM
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My own experience with Kim Son was unsatisfactory. The delivery took 4 months, with no explanation given whatsoever, just occasional excuses and apologies, and when the brush arrived, two of the mother of pearl inlay pieces almost immediately fell out. The knot was just so-so, nothing spectacular but not terrible.

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 05-23-2013, 09:18 AM
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John, how recent was you order?

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 05-23-2013, 09:30 AM
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(05-23-2013, 09:18 AM)branford Wrote: John, how recent was you order?

It was 2 years ago.

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 05-23-2013, 12:49 PM
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Just order one from QED. Unless they've ran out of stock.

Plenty of reviews about the QED horn handled brushes IIRC.

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 05-23-2013, 01:22 PM
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Compared to Whipped Dog Silvertip brush, I would say that the backbone is very similar but the Kimson knot feels more luxurious.

I have the 293 from daVinci and this brush has one of the best silvertip knots I have tried. Very soft tips and very dense brush. But it has not the backbone of a D01.

Between Kimson and daVinci, I would take the daVinci for a face-latherer. but the 293 has a smaller knot and it will be difficult to keep your Price limit of 150 $.

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 05-23-2013, 02:10 PM
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Just buy yourself a CH2 in best and be done with it. Cool

Horn handles are overrated, its only a matter of time before it splits, cracks, chips etc. I have seen a horn handle crack in half that was polished on display in a climate controlled environment *points at Omega*.

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 05-23-2013, 06:38 PM
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(05-23-2013, 12:49 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Just order one from QED. Unless they've ran out of stock.

Plenty of reviews about the QED horn handled brushes IIRC.

I didn't even know that QED had a horn handle brush before you mentioned it. However, it's $110 vs. $85 for what appears to be the same brush.



(05-23-2013, 01:22 PM)SLB04 Wrote: Compared to Whipped Dog Silvertip brush, I would say that the backbone is very similar but the Kimson knot feels more luxurious.

I have the 293 from daVinci and this brush has one of the best silvertip knots I have tried. Very soft tips and very dense brush. But it has not the backbone of a D01.

Between Kimson and daVinci, I would take the daVinci for a face-latherer. but the 293 has a smaller knot and it will be difficult to keep your Price limit of 150 $.

Thanks again. I do not mind the smaller knot of the daVinci 293 and I can purchase it for $117, or the larger 290 for $138, both within my budget. I am most interested, however, in the wenge-wood handled 297 that I just saw listed in daVinci's most recent catalog.


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Upon further consideration, I'm also considering just ordering a nice real horn handle from Kim Son and then installing a new High Mountain White knot from Wet Shaving Products or The Golden Nib. I could build myself a poor man's Plisson.Smile

I've emailed the proprietor to inquire about the internal dimensions of the horn handles to determine if this is even feasible.

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 05-23-2013, 10:12 PM
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(05-23-2013, 06:38 PM)branford Wrote:
(05-23-2013, 12:49 PM)asharperrazor Wrote: Just order one from QED. Unless they've ran out of stock.

Plenty of reviews about the QED horn handled brushes IIRC.

I didn't even know that QED had a horn handle brush before you mentioned it. However, it's $110 vs. $85 for what appears to be the same brush.



(05-23-2013, 01:22 PM)SLB04 Wrote: Compared to Whipped Dog Silvertip brush, I would say that the backbone is very similar but the Kimson knot feels more luxurious.

I have the 293 from daVinci and this brush has one of the best silvertip knots I have tried. Very soft tips and very dense brush. But it has not the backbone of a D01.

Between Kimson and daVinci, I would take the daVinci for a face-latherer. but the 293 has a smaller knot and it will be difficult to keep your Price limit of 150 $.

Thanks again. I do not mind the smaller knot of the daVinci 293 and I can purchase it for $117, or the larger 290 for $138, both within my budget. I am most interested, however, in the wenge-wood handled 297 that I just saw listed in daVinci's most recent catalog.


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Upon further consideration, I'm also considering just ordering a nice real horn handle from Kim Son and then installing a new High Mountain White knot from Wet Shaving Products or The Golden Nib. I could build myself a poor man's Plisson.Smile

I've emailed the proprietor to inquire about the internal dimensions of the horn handles to determine if this is even feasible.

Omega Silvertip is a "Poor Mans" Plisson...

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 05-23-2013, 10:46 PM
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(05-23-2013, 10:12 PM)Sodapopjones Wrote: Omega Silvertip is a "Poor Mans" Plisson...

Aaron, in many ways, I do not disagree. Unfortunately, Omega silvertips aren't that cheap, not widely available, and most importantly, way too floppy.Smile

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 05-23-2013, 11:40 PM
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(05-23-2013, 06:38 PM)branford Wrote: I didn't even know that QED had a horn handle brush before you mentioned it. However, it's $110 vs. $85 for what appears to be the same brush.

Convenience fee I suppose. Plus you might get hit with customs and pay the same price in the end anyway.

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