06-21-2013, 07:14 PM
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I can see paying $80+ for a razor but i really cant see paying more then $30 for a brush why do some go for so much, how can one be worth so much

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 06-21-2013, 07:27 PM
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  • Arcadies
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(06-21-2013, 07:14 PM)Karl Wrote: I can see paying $80+ for a razor but i really cant see paying more then $30 for a brush why do some go for so much, how can one be worth so much

Most aren't..granted some have better quality handles and such, but overall it's just the amount and quality of hair contained.
In my opinion, after a certain point (about $50-75..again my opinion) you start to hit diminishing returns on actual performance and start to hit the area of paying just for luxury/panache/name.

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 06-21-2013, 07:29 PM
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The same can be said for razors, scuttles and even some soaps that are $50 and up. The price of badger hair (especially in large brushes), labor costs to make a handmade brush and of course company name and heritage all play a part in the cost of a high end brush. There is no "need" for an expensive brush, but they sure are wonderful to use and collect.

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 06-21-2013, 07:36 PM
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  • beartrap
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(06-21-2013, 07:29 PM)cessnabird Wrote: The same can be said for razors, scuttles and even some soaps that are $50 and up. The price of badger hair (especially in large brushes), labor costs to make a handmade brush and of course company name and heritage all play a part in the cost of a high end brush. There is no "need" for an expensive brush, but they sure are wonderful to use and collect.

Exactly! Some will find paying that much for a razor is too much. everything is a luxury after a certain amount, so it's all in the eyes of the buyer.

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 06-21-2013, 07:47 PM
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so i must ask what makes this one worth $150
how many hours does it take to make one
are the handles turned by hand

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 06-21-2013, 07:50 PM
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(06-21-2013, 07:47 PM)Karl Wrote: so i must ask what makes this one worth $150
how many hours does it take to make one
are the handles turned by hand

Not really appropriate to use a live Sales listing as your argument against brush pricing.

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 06-21-2013, 07:53 PM
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(06-21-2013, 07:50 PM)Bruce Wrote:
(06-21-2013, 07:47 PM)Karl Wrote: so i must ask what makes this one worth $150
how many hours does it take to make one
are the handles turned by hand

Not really appropriate to use a live Sales listing as your argument against brush pricing.

I apologize i didn't know it was against the rules.
ill remove the link...

and i wasn't a argument against i am just trying to understand mechanics of brush pricing

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 06-21-2013, 07:57 PM
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  • bullgoose
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  • Redondo Beach, California, U.S.A
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Brushes with real horn handles and high grade badger hair tend to be expensive. Try this one for comparison.

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 06-21-2013, 07:58 PM
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Not sure it's against any "rules", but it may be frowned upon and I'd be fuming to see my sales listing in a thread trying to justify brush pricing.

I've had many brushes and all the ones left in my den are $100+. You pay for quality hair, turned handles, customization with loft and material, softness, flow etc.

That's not to say sub $100 are no good...far from it. but for me the sweet spot is $130 for cost to performance. These are all 24mm+ knots and Silvertip.

I would not pay $100+ for anything less the Silvertip, but that's just me.

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 06-21-2013, 08:06 PM
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(06-21-2013, 07:58 PM)Bruce Wrote: Not sure it's against any "rules", but it may be frowned upon and I'd be fuming to see my sales listing in a thread trying to justify brush pricing.

I've had many brushes and all the ones left in my den are $100+. You pay for quality hair, turned handles, customization with loft and material, softness, flow etc.

That's not to say sub $100 are no good...far from it. but for me the sweet spot is $130 for cost to performance. These are all 24mm+ knots and Silvertip.

I would not pay $100+ for anything less the Silvertip, but that's just me.

Yup...I would be fuming too.

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 06-21-2013, 08:06 PM
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so what is a lifespan of a brush of the price

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 06-21-2013, 08:09 PM
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  • bullgoose
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(06-21-2013, 08:06 PM)Karl Wrote: so what is a lifespan of a brush of the price

Depends on many factors. If properly cared for, it should last many years.

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 06-21-2013, 08:16 PM
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sorry if i'm stepping on toes,
i really don't understand why someone would be fuming for someone to question their pricing
it might be because i'm not seasoned like the rest of you but that seems legitimate to question anything especially on a forums

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 06-21-2013, 08:51 PM
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We like to keep things gentlemanly and civil here at the Nook. Debate is always welcome in good form, but if there is a real concern or question about pricing, a pm to the seller would be the appropriate means of asking such a question.

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 06-21-2013, 09:03 PM
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(06-21-2013, 08:16 PM)Karl Wrote: sorry if i'm stepping on toes,
i really don't understand why someone would be fuming for someone to question their pricing
it might be because i'm not seasoned like the rest of you but that seems legitimate to question anything especially on a forums

For one, it can kill a sale. This is especially infuriating when the comment regarding the price is misinformed. There is nothing wrong with posing a question regarding price...just do it via PM. Put yourself in the shoes of the seller and I think you will understand.

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 06-21-2013, 09:03 PM
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(06-21-2013, 08:51 PM)cessnabird Wrote: We like to keep things gentlemanly and civil here at the Nook. Debate is always welcome in good form, but if there is a real concern or question about pricing, a pm to the seller would be the appropriate means of asking such a question.

thank you, i understand completely

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 06-21-2013, 09:57 PM
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Until you have tried a premium brush there really is no way to justify it. Once you cross that line, however, it is quite easy to notice subtle differences that may or may not justify the price. My Shavemac D01 Silvertip and Simpson Rover are two examples of excellent brushes that offer performance not found in several less expensive brushes in my collection. Even comparing the Rover to my Berkeley, which both contain the "same" grade of hair, there is a vast improvement in the softness, density and face feel in the Rover. Before trying the Rover I was very pleased with the Berkeley as it was leaps and bounds better than many of my other brushes at the time, now it is relegated as less impressive.

One addition: the price isn't the lone factor in finding a superior brush as I much prefer my Rooney 1/1 silvertip to the 3/2 which was a more expensive brush.

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 06-21-2013, 10:01 PM
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I guess a lot of it depends on your income. When I started I was one of those fools who thought he would save money wet shaving. I like to treat myself once in a while. $100 is a luxury item. For others, it is not a big deal.

I spent over $125 on a Brand Name 24mm Silvertip handmade brush. The knot is simialr in softness and density to a $28 knot I bought from the Golden nib that I put in a $6 Ebay Antique butterscotch bakelite brush. They are similar performers. But is plastic...I mean faux ivory handle with the extra $90? Probably not at my income level. But once in a while I treat myself to a $60 meal that would have been good for a week of groceries.

The $125 is a good all around brush that excels with creams and face lathering. It has more backbone than my other badgers and does good job with harder soaps. But now I use soaps about 80% of the time. My $20 Boars do better on soaps.

While I like the $125 brush, I regret the purchase. I would have bought 3 or 4 brushes. If I could only have one brush, it would be the $125 brush. It does everything well. But I look at brushes like Golf Clubs. I have a big floppy pure badger that works great on creams in my scuttle. My $125 brush is the bomb if I want to face lather with a Speick stick. A broken in boar will work best with softer soaps like Cella. My boar with the most backbone is my go to for Tabac or Wool Fat.

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 06-22-2013, 06:43 AM
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(06-21-2013, 07:58 PM)Bruce Wrote: Not sure it's against any "rules", but it may be frowned upon and I'd be fuming to see my sales listing in a thread trying to justify brush pricing.

(06-21-2013, 08:06 PM)bullgoose Wrote: Yup...I would be fuming too.

(06-21-2013, 08:51 PM)cessnabird Wrote: We like to keep things gentlemanly and civil here at the Nook. Debate is always welcome in good form, but if there is a real concern or question about pricing, a pm to the seller would be the appropriate means of asking such a question.

I'm not really seeing the problem here. He linked a sale that had been archived, and he wasn't saying anything bad about the seller/sale.

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 06-22-2013, 06:47 AM
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(06-22-2013, 06:43 AM)MickToley Wrote:
(06-21-2013, 07:58 PM)Bruce Wrote: Not sure it's against any "rules", but it may be frowned upon and I'd be fuming to see my sales listing in a thread trying to justify brush pricing.

(06-21-2013, 08:06 PM)bullgoose Wrote: Yup...I would be fuming too.

(06-21-2013, 08:51 PM)cessnabird Wrote: We like to keep things gentlemanly and civil here at the Nook. Debate is always welcome in good form, but if there is a real concern or question about pricing, a pm to the seller would be the appropriate means of asking such a question.

I'm not really seeing the problem here. He linked a sale that had been archived, and he wasn't saying anything bad about the seller/sale.

It was an active listing at the time.

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