07-25-2013, 01:18 PM
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I have a stick of La Toja that I've used a handful of times. I like the scent and lather, but every time I use it, I get a mild burn by the end of the second pass, which I think might be a sensitivity to one of the ingredients. I broke it out again yesterday with my favorite razor/blade combo, a combo that generally results in a smooth shave and that tends to be my go-to combo for testing new software. Sure enough, same results.

This is the list of ingredients for the stick that I have. I'm pretty sure it's the most recent formulation:

Potassium Stearate, Potassium Cocoate, Potassium Palmitate, Sodium Stearate, Aqua, Glycerin, Sodium Cocoate, Sodium Palmitate, Coconut Acid, Parfum, Mineral Salts, Coumarin, Limonene, Linalool, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tetrasodium Etidronate, Cl77891

Has anyone else had a similar experience with La Toja? Is there something in that ingredient list that is known irritate some? Thanks.

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 07-25-2013, 01:40 PM
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  • bullgoose
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I too cannot use the La Toja shave sticks.

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 07-25-2013, 02:08 PM
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  • Johnny
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I cannot use any of the La Toja products. Same with Musgo Real.

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 07-25-2013, 02:36 PM
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  • njpaddy
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I used the stick and bowl occasionally in late 2011 and early 2012 and remember liking them so much that I had backups. When I took them out this year, I got irritation and poor shaves. I don't know the reason for the change from one year to the next but I didn't waste time trying to figure it out. I tossed the used and sold the unused.

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 07-25-2013, 02:42 PM
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  • Crag
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I bet it's the Linalool...I used to get a bad irritation with MWF from Lanolin, but eventually was able to use it with only mild irritation, but I'm an irritation free kind of guy, so I eventually gave up on MWF...I still have a 75% puck under my cabinet that just sits there...

I don't feel any irritation, per se, from La Toja but I do feel as if the bristles may be irritating my cheeks when I lather it, but it is all good post shave and I LOVE the scent, so i'll be hanging on to mine...

Matt

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 07-25-2013, 06:07 PM
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That's too bad. You'll just have to move along to something else.

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 07-25-2013, 06:21 PM
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(07-25-2013, 02:42 PM)Crag Wrote: I bet it's the Linalool...

Might be...I just did a little searching online, and linalool seems to be a moderate allergen, although it's present in other products that I can use with no problems. Of course, it could be a matter of proportion.

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 07-26-2013, 12:16 AM
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I, too, get a mild burning sensation by the end of my second pass using the La Toja stick that lasts a few hours after my shave. I always guessed that it was the "mineral salts" that were the culprit.

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 07-26-2013, 10:23 AM
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(07-26-2013, 12:16 AM)branford Wrote: I, too, get a mild burning sensation by the end of my second pass using the La Toja stick that lasts a few hours after my shave. I always guessed that it was the "mineral salts" that were the culprit.
I am sure I have read somewhere that it is, indeed, the mineral salts in La Toja that causes irritation. This appears to be a not too uncommon experience. Thankfully, I get no such reaction.

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 07-26-2013, 11:54 AM
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I have experienced no irritation when using the La Toja SS.

Clayton

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 07-26-2013, 01:23 PM
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  • Crag
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I've noticed that lproducts that contain Linalool tend to cause a mild irritation to my skin, though not really on my face...I usually get irritation on my palms or soft skin on my forearms...

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 07-28-2013, 04:04 PM
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(07-26-2013, 01:23 PM)Crag Wrote: I've noticed that products that contain Linalool tend to cause a mild irritation to my skin, though not really on my face...I usually get irritation on my palms or soft skin on my forearms...
Weirdly, I have the opposite reaction to La Toja. It passes the forearm test, but the face is a different story.

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 07-29-2013, 05:02 AM
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  • ben74
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Too many other great products out there to persist with something that may be irritating you, so move on to the next selection.

You can always revisit it another time (if you must).

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 07-29-2013, 09:34 AM
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  • blzrfn
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I had to give up the La Toja stick as well, I just purchased both creams to give them a shot, but I'm skeptical.

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 07-29-2013, 10:03 AM
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(07-29-2013, 05:02 AM)ben74 Wrote: Too many other great products out there to persist with something that may be irritating you, so move on to the next selection.

I agree. The whole point of this thread for me was just to get feedback from others' experiences to see which ingredient the possible irritant might be.

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 07-29-2013, 10:00 PM
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(07-29-2013, 10:03 AM)ronwell Wrote:
(07-29-2013, 05:02 AM)ben74 Wrote: Too many other great products out there to persist with something that may be irritating you, so move on to the next selection.

I agree. The whole point of this thread for me was just to get feedback from others' experiences to see which ingredient the possible irritant might be.

I originally thought it was the coconut acid that triggered my reaction but have since realized that I have used other soaps with coconut acid as well. I have also used the La Toja bath soap which didn't cause any reaction so I'm not sure that its the mineral salts either. I just know that I can't use Musgo Real original cream (haven't tried their other scents) or La Toja stick. I'm sure as I continue my frantic pace of trying every shave soap/cream made I will run into other product that cause irritation and that may help me pin it down. Good luck on your quest!

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 07-30-2013, 04:54 AM
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(07-29-2013, 10:00 PM)blzrfn Wrote:
(07-29-2013, 10:03 AM)ronwell Wrote:
(07-29-2013, 05:02 AM)ben74 Wrote: Too many other great products out there to persist with something that may be irritating you, so move on to the next selection.

I agree. The whole point of this thread for me was just to get feedback from others' experiences to see which ingredient the possible irritant might be.

I originally thought it was the coconut acid that triggered my reaction but have since realized that I have used other soaps with coconut acid as well. I have also used the La Toja bath soap which didn't cause any reaction so I'm not sure that its the mineral salts either. I just know that I can't use Musgo Real original cream (haven't tried their other scents) or La Toja stick. I'm sure as I continue my frantic pace of trying every shave soap/cream made I will run into other product that cause irritation and that may help me pin it down. Good luck on your quest!

Also note that sometimes it's not only the individual ingredient that determines whether you will get any irritation, but rather the quantity of the ingredient that is dispositive to whether you have a reaction. This can make often make it difficult to determine what ingredients actually cause a reaction.

For instance, many products that have lanolin only contain minuscule or trace amounts. Unless you are truly allergic or very, very sensitive, these products will not cause you any problems. However, greater amounts of lanolin in products such as Musgo Real might trigger irritation in those with even a minor sensitivity.

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 07-30-2013, 07:38 AM
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Thanks to everyone who chimed in with suggestions. Short of visiting an allergy specialist, which seems a little crazy, there's probably no real way to narrow it down.

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 07-30-2013, 10:47 AM
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Darn shame that you aren't able to use it, La Toja is on deck for tomorrow and that soap is one of the five guaranteed a spot in my rotation.

I experienced a burning sensation from the Razor Rock soaps; it was esp tough to give up my Mughetto di Bologna, since the scent was divine.

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