07-31-2013, 01:57 PM
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For all the love they nearly universally get, I find that my J4 Flare Tip just won't do for me.

It's a fine specimen in good working order; no issues with that. And the finish is good.

I've owned this piece for about 2.5 years and it's gone through my rotations over that time. Always I come back to it hoping I'll fall in love but it's not to be.

It's just too light, and the handle too short for my hands. Inconsistent results; BBS or not nearly close enough.

None of this is the result of bad technique, nor bad blades, nor lathering. It just doesn't feel right.

Are there others who don't care for this model? Most people love it; anyone out there find with me?

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 07-31-2013, 02:26 PM
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I wasn't a fan of the flare-tip SuperSpeed I had. Way too mild to be effective. I prefer the Tech and was able to get better shaves from that.

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 07-31-2013, 02:29 PM
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(07-31-2013, 02:26 PM)taborcarn Wrote: I wasn't a fan of the flare-tip SuperSpeed I had. Way too mild to be effective. I prefer the Tech and was able to get better shaves from that.

Really, much too mild for me. Must be my beard-type.

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 07-31-2013, 03:42 PM
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I've have been underwhelmed by every vintage Gillette I have shaved with. Sorry.

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 07-31-2013, 03:45 PM
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(07-31-2013, 03:42 PM)Blue line Wrote: I've have been underwhelmed by every vintage Gillette I have shaved with. Sorry.

This is the only Gillette I have or have used so I don't know to compare.

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 07-31-2013, 04:02 PM
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I tried two flaretip razors and didn't care much for them.
The 40's, blue tip, red tip - excellent.

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 07-31-2013, 04:12 PM
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What is the difference between flare, red, blue and black tips? Thinking of getting one myself. I presently have a straight razor but have trouble getting BBS or even close with it. I want to give a DE a chance Smile

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 07-31-2013, 04:44 PM
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Blade Gap for the Flare Tip (maybe just the same gap as a superspeed), Blue Tip (nonagressive) and Red Tip (agressive).

Don't know about the Black Tip.

I think that given the time and place the Gillettes were Great Razors.

But, now Razors are able to be designed with more precision. So when you say "You have been underwhelmed by every vintage Gillette you have shaved with." that is quite understandable.

As for me, I appreciate every Razor that I use and only think "Wow, this Razor is older than me." when I have a really old Razor and at other times I think "Wow, this Razor is older than my Son or Sons." and thank goodness I have a 16 year old and a 5 year old.

Other than that I just try to get a feel for the Razor and not cut/nick myself.

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 07-31-2013, 05:30 PM
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The red tip is the heaviest and least mild of the bunch, i wouldn't call it aggressive.
The blue tip is mildest, like a tech, very good shaver.
The 40's is between. The black tip is identical to the 40's but the handle is aluminum and the knob is plastic - due to the brass shortage due to the war in Korea, the balance is a little different. The Milord is a gold-plated 40's.
While the above are more a like than different in their ''character'', I feel the flaretip ''sticks out'' of the bunch.
There is also the black handle superspeed which I haven't tried.

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 07-31-2013, 06:46 PM
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I used to get an excellent shave with the flare tip and red tip. Ever since I started using the EJ 89 and especially the Weber, nothing else does much for me anymore.

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 07-31-2013, 08:08 PM
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I don't particularly care for the flare tip, but I'm a big fan of the 40's style SS. It's just that little bit more aggressive and the curvature of the head feels different. Try a 40's model before you give up on SuperSpeeds

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 07-31-2013, 08:30 PM
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For me it's blade dependent. My 40's and black tipped SS's works great with Voskhod, Ladas and Personna Supers, but just ok with Astra SP and terrible with Rapira Swedes.

My flair tip works great with Voskhod and Personna Labs but just ok with Ladas.

Overall, they're ok, but I also don't care for they way they feel in my hand and I'll be getting rid of some of them.

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 07-31-2013, 10:15 PM
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A 50's flare tip was my first and only razor for about a year and I really liked it at the time. It doesn't get much use after I got a 40's superspeed. My beard is medium and I perfer milder razors in general. In the superspeed family I've also used a bluetip, 50 flare tip, and an HD rocket.

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 07-31-2013, 10:17 PM
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(07-31-2013, 08:08 PM)bjorney Wrote: I don't particularly care for the flare tip, but I'm a big fan of the 40's style SS. It's just that little bit more aggressive and the curvature of the head feels different. Try a 40's model before you give up on SuperSpeeds

My experience has been the same: the 40s style SS worked much better for me.

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 08-01-2013, 03:49 AM
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Go back to the basics: the Gillette '04's. WW1 and before if you want to be neat and spruce for the whole day.

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 08-01-2013, 06:50 AM
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Red Tip

I agree that I would not call it an agressive razor. But, Gillette did when it came out.

And I do like the really old Gillettes like Johnus mentions.

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 08-01-2013, 07:14 AM
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Its not sacrilege, everything is YMMV. Personally, I found Super Speeds to be way too mild, which is a shame because I think they look great.

I always wondered if Super Speeds were intentionally mild, if Gillette moved toward "milder" settings as they gained in popularity. That way people could shave and not get nicked and start to complain. After all back then there weren't too many other mass-produced options. Of course then I wonder if the adjustable razors came about because the Super Speeds got too mild.

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 08-01-2013, 10:36 AM
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Way over rated razor on these forums. Red tip too.

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 08-01-2013, 10:58 AM
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(08-01-2013, 07:14 AM)jpakstis Wrote: Its not sacrilege, everything is YMMV. Personally, I found Super Speeds to be way too mild, which is a shame because I think they look great.

I always wondered if Super Speeds were intentionally mild, if Gillette moved toward "milder" settings as they gained in popularity. That way people could shave and not get nicked and start to complain. After all back then there weren't too many other mass-produced options. Of course then I wonder if the adjustable razors came about because the Super Speeds got too mild.

Who knows what lurks in the skulls of the marketing people? You just may be right.

(08-01-2013, 10:36 AM)Shave a Buck Wrote: Way over rated razor on these forums. Red tip too.

I'm particularly pleased by the Sabi and Cadets I bought from you. The SS is like running cardboard across my skin in comparison.

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 08-01-2013, 03:35 PM
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I have a 40s Superspeed, a red-tip, a flared Superspeed and a thin adjustable. Of the Gillette's I prefer the thin because of the handle length and weight/balance, but do use them all from time-to-time. However, again because of handle and weight/balance (and looks), I do use my EJ89L the most often (like almost always).

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