08-27-2013, 09:27 AM
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I am looking to create a brush handle myself and am interested to find a knot that has hooked tips.

I hope I am not looking for unicorns here, I have read somewhere that TGN Finest sometimes become hooked and gel-like, but it's not my experience with a 26mm XH TGN Finest.

Is anyone aware of a manufacturer that sells this kind of knot?
Thanks, I appreciate any information.

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 08-27-2013, 09:57 AM
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  • beartrap
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Vintage Blades brushes have those tips, they do not sell knots though.

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 08-27-2013, 10:23 AM
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You could just use hair bleach on a knot to achieve the desired effect.

They're hooked because they're over bleached.

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 08-27-2013, 10:46 AM
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I did not know that. I was aware that only certain Rooney Heritage knots had gel-like tips.

As for the bleaching, I am not sure I can summon the courage to perform such an operation on a badger knot!

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 08-27-2013, 11:21 AM
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(08-27-2013, 10:23 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: You could just use hair bleach on a knot to achieve the desired effect.

They're hooked because they're over bleached.


@Lee.

Wow. Is this really true? I always believed the early Rooney Heritage knots with hooked tips (hence gel feel) were that way naturally.

This is first I've heard of bleach. Interesting.


MaxP

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 08-27-2013, 11:32 AM
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(08-27-2013, 11:21 AM)MaxP Wrote:
(08-27-2013, 10:23 AM)asharperrazor Wrote: You could just use hair bleach on a knot to achieve the desired effect.

They're hooked because they're over bleached.


@Lee.

Wow. Is this really true? I always believed the early Rooney Heritage knots with hooked tips (hence gel feel) were that way naturally.

This is first I've heard of bleach. Interesting.


MaxP

Yes.

2 band hair is naturally kind of prickly. Natural colored tips are more of a tan color than white. No one sells unbleached 2 band hair these days.

Just like human hair, over bleaching causes the hair to feel mushy and squishy when wet. Bleach it just right and the hair is white and soft.

I use bleach as a generic term. Different chemical concoctions are used by different hair dressers and even with the same dressers, the process differs for different hair.

(08-27-2013, 10:46 AM)dimitris Wrote: I can summon the courage to perform such an operation on a badger knot!

Could pay a beautician to do it for you. Cool

In all seriousness though, it's a little hard to do once the hair is formed into a knot since the tops aren't flat.

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 08-27-2013, 06:15 PM
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How about the slivertip? Do they bleach or chemical treat the 3 band hair too?
Thanks.

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 08-27-2013, 07:18 PM
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(08-27-2013, 06:15 PM)hon Wrote: How about the slivertip? Do they bleach or chemical treat the 3 band hair too?
Thanks.

There is no silvertip hair that is unbleached. HMW is not or minimally bleached since it's naturally much whiter.

Sometimes the bleach is what separates two grades. Both low and high grade silvertip can be bleached and unbleached. Unbleached is sold as best badger since it's actually gray in color. Low grade silvertip hair is what they used to call best badger but bleached to make the tips white. High grade silvertip hair is the same, but it's bleached to make the tips white. Makes the hair softer too.

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 08-27-2013, 08:05 PM
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Wow, I had no idea. I figured there had to be some sort of outside involvement that "broke in" the tips on brushes like the Thater or M&F blonde badger. My M&F had a few hairs that split and fractured off. On the towel I wipe the brush on after a shave I would see little cm sized bits of hair occasionally.

It all makes sense now. Thank you Smile

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 08-27-2013, 08:31 PM
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This is very interesting information! Thanks, Lee!Smile

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 08-28-2013, 06:28 AM
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Wondering how will the pure bager perform if have been bleach and soften.

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 08-28-2013, 09:20 AM
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(08-28-2013, 06:28 AM)hon Wrote: Wondering how will the pure bager perform if have been bleach and soften.

Me too.

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 08-28-2013, 10:36 AM
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I sometimes wonder if some "kind" of two band badger is no more than pure badger with extra bleached tips.

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 08-28-2013, 10:54 AM
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(08-28-2013, 06:28 AM)hon Wrote: Wondering how will the pure bager perform if have been bleach and soften.

It will still feel like pure badger. It's not a magical formula, it just enhances the existing softness, it can't take away the prickliness.

Okay, well, it can, but the hairs will just be mushy and unusable.

(08-28-2013, 10:36 AM)Teiste Wrote: I sometimes wonder if some "kind" of two band badger is no more than pure badger with extra bleached tips.

Possible. Low grade 2 band hair is pretty cheap though, so I think it is more of the retailer being confused as to what they are selling.

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 08-28-2013, 11:52 AM
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Lee, thanks for your frank responses! This is very good information to know as most of us are unaware of these things. Blush

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 08-28-2013, 03:12 PM
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Thank you for this "inside" information about badger brushes. I imagine the major brush companies consider this proprietary secrets and would not disclose them.

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 08-28-2013, 05:11 PM
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It's not unknown knowledge, just most people don't care. Also, if I were to say that the only difference between beloved Brand X's super duper silvertip and their best badger (which costs half as much) is only slightly greater variation in the underlying grade of hair used and the fact that the super duper version is bleached.... it doesn't really go over very well.

Anyway, that's why I haven't bothered with introducing best badger hair as an option. Not really much point.

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 08-28-2013, 06:12 PM
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If they could keep consistently bleaching those tips like the earlier Heritage Rooney and M&F hair used to have, I'd be a happy camper.

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 08-28-2013, 07:39 PM
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Fantastic Info...thank you for the enlightenment LeeLightbulb

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