04-22-2012, 10:29 AM
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  • vferdman
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Hello. I am new here, but been active on B&B for a while. I am about 3 months into DE shaving and loving it. Already restored two brushes (with badger knots) and also have one single boar brush, which I like a lot. It's an Omega 10275. It is a really good brush and is very inexpensive. I am really itching to try a Semogue as I really enjoy boar brushes. I am probably going to get another Omega as well since I have such a good experience with the 10275. The Semogue brushes I am eying are all in under $30 range. These are 3105, 1250, 830, 620, 1800, 1520, 1438, 1470. As far as I can tell they all have the same knot/loft 22mm/50mm. Some are banded, some are natural, some are in natural wooden handles, some are in painted wooden handles and some are in plastic handles. I am a bit overwhelmed by all the choices and my question is: are all these brushes very similar as far as the knot? Then all I have to do is choose the style and look I like? Or is there a difference between these brushes? Also, how does an Omega 31064 compare to one of these Semogues? I know, it's a bit larger, but other than that?

Thanks!

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 04-22-2012, 10:51 AM
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* I guess you meant 1305 not 3105.

IMO Omega 31064 is softer, splays more and can be considered floppier than any of the Semogues you mentioned.

Semogues 1305, 830, 1250, 1800 have higher ~55 mm lofts; 620, 1520, 1438, 1470 have ~50 mm lofts. Short lofted Semogues are (arguably) considered better suited for face lathering.
1305, 830 have the same knots with Premium 90% tops hair grade. Arguably, 830 is considered denser than 1305. Also these are considered softer than the other brushes in your list and splay a bit more.
1800 is a brush in its own hair category with Premium 90% tops and Extra 75% tops hair grades. My 1800 doesn't splay much.
1250, 820, 1470 share the same knot with Best 90% tops hair grade. I have 1250 which is surprisingly softer than 1800 without much splay as 1305 and 830.
1520, 620, 1438 have the same hair grade - Extra 75% tops. I don't have any brush with this type of hair.

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 04-22-2012, 11:17 AM
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The Omega 31064 is most similar to the Semogue 2000 boar bristle. As previously mentioned, the Omega bristles are not as thick as the bristles on the Semogue 2000. Both brushes are excellent choices. Be advised that wooden handled brushes will require maintenance (such as revarnishing) at some point in their lives.

eric.

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 04-22-2012, 11:37 AM
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(04-22-2012, 10:51 AM)edgerunner Wrote: * I guess you meant 1305 not 3105.

IMO Omega 31064 is softer, splays more and can be considered floppier than any of the Semogues you mentioned.

Semogues 1305, 830, 1250, 1800 have higher ~55 mm lofts; 620, 1520, 1438, 1470 have ~50 mm lofts. Short lofted Semogues are (arguably) considered better suited for face lathering.
1305, 830 have the same knots with Premium 90% tops hair grade. Arguably, 830 is considered denser than 1305. Also these are considered softer than the other brushes in your list and splay a bit more.
1800 is a brush in its own hair category with Premium 90% tops and Extra 75% tops hair grades. My 1800 doesn't splay much.
1250, 820, 1470 share the same knot with Best 90% tops hair grade. I have 1250 which is surprisingly softer than 1800 without much splay as 1305 and 830.
1520, 620, 1438 have the same hair grade - Extra 75% tops. I don't have any brush with this type of hair.

+1 Great info, here. Good work, edgerunner.
i would highly suggest the Semogue 830; incredible brush! Although i would not agree that the 830 splays much. Here is mine after five months of use with 40-50 shaves.i would say it is softer than the 1305, in my opinion.
Enjoy your search!

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 04-22-2012, 12:03 PM
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  • Howler
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I'm sure our resident Semogue brush guru Johnny, will chime in.

I recently purchased my first Semogue a 1460. I also own an Omega "48". The Semogue, is a superior brush to an the Omega. it is barely a month old it is almost broke in. Very soft and densely packed brush.

I will be adding additional Semogue boars to my den.

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 04-22-2012, 12:42 PM
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Oh trust me, I am not the Semogue guru. You would need to talk with Oversaturn if you want to talk with the guru.

I do have my opinions though for what it's worth. I own two Omega brushes, the 10005 and the Pro 49. Both nice brushes but neither will hold a candle to my Semogue brushes.

I have the following Semogue: 1305, 1438, 1460, 1470, 2-SOC, and a 2011 LE Finest Bristle 2.

The 1460 and 1470 are the same brush, one is painted, one is not. Both excellent brushes, especially for face lathering. The 1438 has just a tad shorter loft, is banded to look like badger and is also great for face lathering. I prefer the 1460 & 70 though.

Then in the price range discussed is the 1305. This is an excellent all round brush. Soaps/creams, bowl/scuttle lathering, or face lathering. If I were just going to buy one of the $30 and under brushes, the 1305 would be it.

No since in discussing the SOC or LE as both are over the $30 price range.

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 04-22-2012, 01:32 PM
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  • vferdman
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Thank you guys for the great info. This should help narrow down the search. It seems 1305 (thanks for correction, I did mean 1305) is the "must-have", but a good point was made about wooden handles needing maintenance. I would imagine they need more careful handling as well. I tend to be pretty utilitarian with my tools. I don't abuse them, but I don't baby them either. I keep things clean and neat, but I like the tools to be easy to work with and not fussy. The best tool for any job is the one that gets out of your way while doing its job. So I tend to soak my brushes without much regard to how deep (usually I soak them all the way over the handle). Basically, I am concentrating on my shave and not the brush so much. All my brushes have plastic handles, so I never even considered this issue before. Will wooden handled brushes present more care? Perhaps I should be looking at the plastic handled Semogues. I do love the wood handles, but if they are going to get damaged from being used by me the way I use them, then perhaps they are not for me. However, for $20 I can certainly risk it Smile The 1250 or 1305 sure do look sweet. What about one of the plastic handled brushes? 830, 620, what else is there?

Thanks again! I only have 5 brushes now and four of them are badger. One of the badgers is Wee Scot and that brush pretty mush does it for me for badgers. I love all my brushes, but Wee Scot is the one that gets out of the way, does its job beautifully and didn't cost a fortune. My other brushes are a 24mm best badger brush that was the first brush I got when I took a plunge into DE. Very soft brush, but too big for me. That's what got me into Wee Scot and the Omega 10275 boar. The other two badger brushes I have are the ones I restored. One is Ever-Ready C40 that knotted with a pure black badger and Ever-Ready 650PB that I put TGN finest fan knot into. With all these brushes I feel I am missing out on the boar brushes. I love using the cheapo Omega I have. It broke in quickly and is a lovely brush to use now. Almost as good as the Wee Scot (at quarter of the cost). They are different of course on the feel, but in general terms of ease and pleasure of use they are about equal. So I really want to explore the finer boar brushes out there. Semogue seems like a natural choice. I'll be giving one of these babies a try soon.

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 04-22-2012, 01:59 PM
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My Semogues's are the 830, 1250, 1470 and the 210.
I really do like all of them, but the one I prefer is the 830. So soft from the start! And now that it is broken in, I think it is simply amazing! Shy

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 04-22-2012, 02:00 PM
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I'm not as well versed in Semogue boars as some of the people here, but I really like the ones I have, and I'm primarily a badger guy.

The 1250 and 2030B are excellent brushes. Both were reasonably soft out of the box and don't splay much. I could use them after a couple test lathers, which says a lot since I'm pretty sensitive to scritchy brushes. Even though there are Semogues with shorter lofts, I think these two are excellent for facelathering since that's all I do.

The trade-off with smaller boars like these compared to a big Omega Pro is that they do not hold as much lather. To me, there is a considerable difference in how much lather a 22mm boar will hold vs. a badger. The badger holds a lot more lather because the knot blooms a lot more. Now, if you are building lather in a bowl, how much the knot can hold really doesn't matter.

Now, keep in mind that I usually build fully or nearly fully formed lather on top of my soaps...I don't merely charge my brushes with soap paste most of the time. If you are simply charging, you will get enough for more passes. The charging is definitely rougher on the brush than my method though.

As far as wood handles go, the plastic is always going to last longer. My personal preference if I'm going wood would be for an unpainted handle. The painted handles are more prone to chipping, while the oil rubbed, unpainted handles don't do that. I have a Semogue 2015 (Silvertip Badger) that is a few years old and the oil rubbed handle looks fine. I don't take any special care with it, but I don't soak the entire handle in water, leave it soaking overnight, etc.

Lastly, if you are looking for a good vendor for Semogues, I'd recommend Shaving.ie ....they're in Ireland but I usually get my packages in about a week from them to the U.S.

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 04-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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According to Bruno from Vintage Scent you should not soak your boar brush (wooden or acrylic handle) any further than 1cm from the base of the knot. This is to prevent damage to the knot. Yes an acrylic handle can tolerate the water better, but the knot & glue are basically the same & both can be damaged according to Bruno. This would make your brush prone to loosing its knot.

If you like the 1305, but want an acrylic handle then go with the 830. I have one of those on the way to me currently along with an SOC boar & badger. I also have the wooden handled 1250 & 1438 along with the acrylic handled 820. Out of the ones I already have, the 820 is my favorite, though I suspect in time it will be knocked down a peg or two by the SOC & 830.

Basically with Semogue, pick a handle you like & you'll have a great brush regardless of what model # it carries.

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 04-22-2012, 02:51 PM
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edgerunner and Johnny have given you the essential information.

I have three Omega boar brushes; 20107, 10066, and 10005. All good brushes.

I also have two Semogue boar brushes; 1250 and SOC. I am also considering picking up a 1305 or 1800.

Like Johnny, I really prefer the Semogue brushes.

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 04-22-2012, 05:06 PM
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Just placed an order with Phil for a Semogue 1305 boar bristle brush. Johnny says it'll add a little color to my SOTD pictures! Biggrin

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 04-22-2012, 06:48 PM
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(04-22-2012, 12:42 PM)Johnny Wrote: No since in discussing the SOC or LE as both are over the $30 price range.

I wouldn't take SOC out of the mix. I picked one up for <$30 from Vintage Scent.

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 04-22-2012, 07:02 PM
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Very good thread! A lot of good information and ton of my questions were answered as well.

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 04-22-2012, 07:43 PM
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Got my SOC from Vintage Scent last Monday. Total with shipping was $29.92, took about three weeks to arrive.

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 04-22-2012, 09:45 PM
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I have a 830, just got it about a month ago. SOFT right out of the box. It got me to try face lathering, now that's all I do. I love this brush. My next brush will be the 1305 very similar knots the 830, I believe has more hair than the 1305 if memory serves me right. But the 1305 is one sweet looking brush. Enjoy which ever Semogue you decide on. BTW the 830 has for the foreseeable future put my badger brush on the shelf. Yes they are that good.

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 04-22-2012, 09:50 PM
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I got my 1305 on Friday, and it's a sweet, sweet brush. I love that thing. I see more Semogues in my future for sure.

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 04-23-2012, 11:13 AM
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(04-22-2012, 07:43 PM)DanOK Wrote: Got my SOC from Vintage Scent last Monday. Total with shipping was $29.92, took about three weeks to arrive.

Cool. I was slightly luckier than you - I guess the dollar was worth a bit more on that day as mine was about $28.50. Shipping for me was about a week and a half.

How do you like the brush? I'm liking it more and more each day. I've been pretty exclusive with it since I started using it about 3 weeks ago.

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 04-23-2012, 11:29 AM
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(04-23-2012, 11:13 AM)Brent Wrote:
(04-22-2012, 07:43 PM)DanOK Wrote: Got my SOC from Vintage Scent last Monday. Total with shipping was $29.92, took about three weeks to arrive.

Cool. I was slightly luckier than you - I guess the dollar was worth a bit more on that day as mine was about $28.50. Shipping for me was about a week and a half.

How do you like the brush? I'm liking it more and more each day. I've been pretty exclusive with it since I started using it about 3 weeks ago.

Get about 40-45 shaves on it and you will want to order a 7-day rotation of SOC brushes. I certainly do love the two I have.

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 04-23-2012, 11:50 AM
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(04-23-2012, 11:29 AM)Johnny Wrote:
(04-23-2012, 11:13 AM)Brent Wrote:
(04-22-2012, 07:43 PM)DanOK Wrote: Got my SOC from Vintage Scent last Monday. Total with shipping was $29.92, took about three weeks to arrive.

Cool. I was slightly luckier than you - I guess the dollar was worth a bit more on that day as mine was about $28.50. Shipping for me was about a week and a half.

How do you like the brush? I'm liking it more and more each day. I've been pretty exclusive with it since I started using it about 3 weeks ago.

Get about 40-45 shaves on it and you will want to order a 7-day rotation of SOC brushes. I certainly do love the two I have.

HA! I do have to admit, you were right about the Semogue Boars. Due to some of the somewhat negative pub I've seen on boars, you did a good job of pushing me over the edge.

I'll give it another month to see if I can hold out on the 7 day set... and I have to complete a 7 day straight set first!!

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