11-13-2013, 11:20 AM
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I'm waiting for a Semogue SOC boar purchased from Phil. I'm curious about the metal ring on all Semogue brushes. Omega boars have a plastic ring, but that is actually the top of the plastic sleeve/cup that their boar knots are set in. The Omega badgers do not have this. What is the reason for the metal ring on all Semogue knots?

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 11-13-2013, 11:22 AM
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  • Johnny
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I believe the metal ring is also part of a cup.

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 11-13-2013, 11:25 AM
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  • ben74
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The trademark metal ring supports the hairs.

The knot is glued to that metal ring, the metal extends further into the handle and encompasses the base of the knot.

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 11-13-2013, 01:43 PM
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(11-13-2013, 11:25 AM)ben74 Wrote: The trademark metal ring supports the hairs.

* This is what I have always believed, also. Blush

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 11-13-2013, 01:51 PM
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(11-13-2013, 11:22 AM)Johnny Wrote: I believe the metal ring is also part of a cup.

Exactly! Johnny is right! Smile

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 11-13-2013, 02:26 PM
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  • ben74
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Because as Beyonce said, "If you like it, put a ring on it." Tongue




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 11-13-2013, 02:31 PM
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  • Rufus
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I think the metal ring cheapens the look of the brush. Is it absolutely necessary?

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 11-13-2013, 02:42 PM
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(11-13-2013, 02:31 PM)Rufus Wrote: I think the metal ring cheapens the look of the brush. Is it absolutely necessary?

I also don't care for the look of it, and I wonder about the possibility of long term corrosion in the metal cup. Maybe those more knowledgeable about brush making can comment on why a brush manufacturer would enclose the base of a knot in a cup.

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 11-13-2013, 04:39 PM
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Not all Semogues have the metal ring. AFAIK, the cheap low end drugstore brushes have a plastic ring instead.
The metal ring is actually a sign of a quality brush when it comes to Semogue.

Regards.

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 11-13-2013, 04:43 PM
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(11-13-2013, 04:39 PM)TheMonk Wrote: The metal ring is actually a sign of a quality brush when it comes to Semogue.

Regards.

But, why?

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 11-13-2013, 04:47 PM
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(11-13-2013, 04:43 PM)Rufus Wrote:
(11-13-2013, 04:39 PM)TheMonk Wrote: The metal ring is actually a sign of a quality brush when it comes to Semogue.

Regards.

But, why?


From what I know, it's a tradition that started many years ago... But I'm sure Leon could probably shed some more light on the subject.

Regards.

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 11-13-2013, 05:36 PM
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Two reasons:

1. Wood is more sensitive to moisture and temperature. The knot has better integrity when it is glued into a cup or collar.

2. It allows you to unlink the manufacturing of the handle and the knot. You don't have to wait to have all the components together to make a brush. You can prebuild your knots and just assemble the knot into whatever handle you like. The assembly does not require as skilled a laborer and is good if you outsource your handles or use the same knot in a variety of handles.

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 11-13-2013, 05:45 PM
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(11-13-2013, 05:36 PM)SteelTown Wrote: Two reasons:

1. Wood is more sensitive to moisture and temperature. The knot has better integrity when it is glued into a cup or collar.

2. It allows you to unlink the manufacturing of the handle and the knot. You don't have to wait to have all the components together to make a brush. You can prebuild your knots and just assemble the knot into whatever handle you like. The assembly does not require as skilled a laborer and is good if you outsource your handles or use the same knot in a variety of handles.

I guess the moral is:

1) Don't use wood for the handle (which I never would [pardon the pun]).

2) It's a cheap way to make a brush.

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 11-13-2013, 05:53 PM
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I would not say it is a cheaper way....just different, maybe more efficient.

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 11-13-2013, 10:08 PM
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(11-13-2013, 01:51 PM)oversaturn Wrote:
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Huh

Emanuel, please tell me you didn't murder your brush just to illustrate this thread...

Tongue

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 11-14-2013, 04:57 AM
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Plisson uses something similar for their wooden handles.

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 11-14-2013, 07:14 AM
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(11-13-2013, 10:08 PM)ben74 Wrote: Huh

Emanuel, please tell me you didn't murder your brush just to illustrate this thread...

Tongue

Emanuel - The Brush Butcher of Lisbon ... Tongue

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 11-14-2013, 09:36 AM
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I know this is about Semogues, but Plisson does the ring/cup, as noted by SLB04. In fact their penultimate grade, the European White, often uses the gold ring in a variety of handle materials. It does make the brush (and its manufacture, presumably) more modular. Which may actually be a good thing for both quality and efficiency.

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 11-14-2013, 10:00 AM
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I've had my SOC for almost 3 years and so far (knock on wood) there has been no corrosion. There has been build-up, though, but I just wash it in Dawn now and again and it all comes off.

It's neat to see all the knowledgeable comments on here...keep em coming!

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 11-14-2013, 01:25 PM
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I think I own a couple Semogue brushes since 2008 , and no sing of corrosion in any of the metal rings either.
I also like the metal ring on their brushes.Its a sign of being a Semogue brush !

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