01-05-2014, 06:30 AM
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I have just bought online this razor from Australia:

[Image: 2_57__1_.JPG]

The seller says he personally bought the razors in the past, putting it in a cupboard for years...
A new instructions pamphlet and a sealed pack of blades (made in Australia) came with the razor.

It is most likely a pristine, unused British Aristocrat, togheter with right instructions and blades, but I haven't a mental note that this razor has ever been sold in a plastic box.

Is it an Australian version?

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 01-07-2014, 06:24 PM
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Ok, I'm Australian, but I'm no Gillette expert, however...

1948
Aristocrat No 21
Rhodium plated
74g
Australian Set
Made in England
[Image: 80yAcfh.jpg]

Perhaps it is in the wrong case?

The red case was usually supplied with a "Rocket" (with a side hinged opening) or "Super Speed" (with a top hinged opening).

That said, it well could be another Australian version. It will be interesting to see what markings/patents are on the razor and if there is any script on the case.

Regardless it is a fine looking razor indeed, congratulations!

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 01-07-2014, 07:35 PM
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Thank you for your reply, Ben.
It is possible this is another version, but it is incredible there were no picture IB the web ...

I think it should be more likely that a previous owner replaced a damaged or missed case with a Parat's or a TV's one.
Yesterday I renounced the purchase and the seller kindly agreed.

The razor per se is amazing and it is exceptional for shaving. But if in a wrong case its collector's value falls down (IMHO).

It is possible I renounced a great find, however...

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 01-07-2014, 09:26 PM
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I would have to agree with Ben with this one. I have never seen a Rhodium-plated Aristocrat with the case you are depicting in your pic.
Congratulations, regardless on a great razor! Smile

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 01-08-2014, 12:33 AM
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(01-07-2014, 09:26 PM)celestino Wrote: I would have to agree with Ben with this one. I have never seen a Rhodium-plated Aristocrat with the case you are depicting in your pic.
Congratulations, regardless on a great razor! Smile

Thank you.
However - as I said before - I renounced the purchase.
I agree the razor is very nice and in exceptional state, but I think it useless from a collector's point of view.
Do you agree?

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 01-08-2014, 12:38 AM
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I saw this too, but had doubts about the case. It looks to me more a rocket flare tip case.

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 01-08-2014, 05:05 AM
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I think you may have made a mistake. If the instructions are for that razor (looks like a #66 Rocket action Aristocrat)everything about the set up looks okay, even with the plastic case. Gillette was putting lots of razors in different cases over time and for different markets. I have not seen this case for another razor and it looks like the 66 belongs in it, razor, instructions and blades. Weren't most of the Rocket plastic cases side opening? HD, Monobloc, etc.? This is vertical. Just my opinion but if I did not have one I would be interested in this.

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 01-08-2014, 05:25 AM
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(01-08-2014, 05:05 AM)zeppelinkarte Wrote: I think you may have made a mistake. If the instructions are for that razor (looks like a #66 Rocket action Aristocrat)everything about the set up looks okay, even with the plastic case. Gillette was putting lots of razors in different cases over time and for different markets. I have not seen this case for another razor and it looks like the 66 belongs in it, razor, instructions and blades. Weren't most of the Rocket plastic cases side opening? HD, Monobloc, etc.? This is vertical. Just my opinion but if I did not have one I would be interested in this.

No, Rockets also came in front opening plastic cases.

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 01-08-2014, 05:29 AM
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Definitely not a Rocket (pictured below)...

[Image: eg35UVM.png]

Definitely an English made Aristocrat...

I'm guessing 1960's...

And I'm guessing it's in a 1958 TV Special Super-Speed case (pictured below)...

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BUT, I am no expert!

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 01-08-2014, 06:31 AM
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Also the Parat had the same case, but without "TV" on the lid.
I think only TV and Parat were sold in that case.


Parat:

[Image: 1958%20Parat.jpg]

TV Special Super-Speed:

[Image: 1958%20TV%20Super-Speed.jpg]

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 01-08-2014, 11:46 AM
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My thoughts: it is a British-made Gillette Aristocrat #66 (or variant - i.e. #22) in the wrong case. Judging by the TTO mechanism and triangular base plate.

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 01-08-2014, 12:39 PM
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(01-08-2014, 11:46 AM)Burgundy Wrote: My thoughts: it is a British-made Gillette Aristocrat #66 (or variant - i.e. #22) in the wrong case. Judging by the TTO mechanism and triangular base plate.

I agree.

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 01-08-2014, 02:16 PM
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I have British Rockets in similar cases, just different colours Smile Mr Razor has examples.

http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/One-Pie...%20Set.jpg

See, it's a Rocket. See the gap above the winder. I have two of these, with papers. Near to mint condition

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 01-08-2014, 02:57 PM
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(01-08-2014, 02:16 PM)Shaun Wrote: I have British Rockets in similar cases, just different colours Smile Mr Razor has examples.

http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/One-Pie...%20Set.jpg

See, it's a Rocket. See the gap above the winder. I have two of these, with papers. Near to mint condition

I see, but the helix along the handle is peculiar of Aristocrats... Isn't?

Your pamphlets belong to SuperSpeeds?

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 01-08-2014, 03:26 PM
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(01-08-2014, 11:46 AM)Burgundy Wrote: My thoughts: it is a British-made Gillette Aristocrat #66 (or variant - i.e. #22) in the wrong case. Judging by the TTO mechanism and triangular base plate.

I think it is a later version, my guess is the #70.

If we knew the weight of the razor or even the patent (versus patent pending) we would know for sure...

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 01-09-2014, 04:57 AM
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(01-08-2014, 02:16 PM)Shaun Wrote: I have British Rockets in similar cases, just different colours Smile Mr Razor has examples.

http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/One-Pie...%20Set.jpg

See, it's a Rocket. See the gap above the winder. I have two of these, with papers. Near to mint condition


You do not have the same knurling in your Rocket as this Aristocrat #66

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 01-09-2014, 05:12 AM
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It's NOT a Rocket...

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 01-09-2014, 05:35 AM
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I also agree.

The razor in the OP is definitely a Gillette British Aristocrat, of the #22/66/Deluxe family.

That case is something that I've never seen on that specific razor. That case is typical of the SuperSpeed/Parat/Rocket/Monobloc/Monotech/Relampago sets - different designations in different markets for several variations of the razor sold in US under the SuperSpeed name.

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 01-09-2014, 05:52 AM
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(01-09-2014, 05:12 AM)ben74 Wrote: It's NOT a Rocket...

Agreed, but the CASE might have been used to house a Rocket. That's the point.

(01-09-2014, 04:57 AM)zeppelinkarte Wrote:
(01-08-2014, 02:16 PM)Shaun Wrote: I have British Rockets in similar cases, just different colours Smile Mr Razor has examples.

http://www.mr-razor.com/Rasierer/One-Pie...%20Set.jpg

See, it's a Rocket. See the gap above the winder. I have two of these, with papers. Near to mint condition


You do not have the same knurling in your Rocket as this Aristocrat #66

No, I am talking about the CASE ONLY.

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 01-09-2014, 05:55 AM
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Oh, the case! Tongue

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