04-30-2012, 10:35 AM
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Teiste's post regarding the reformulated Irisch Moos shaving cream got me thinking. According to my sources, Irisch Moos Shave Sticks have been "de-listed" which means it is out of production. However, M&W, the manufacturer, is keeping things close to the vest. Has it been eliminated, are they coming out with new packaging, or is it being reformulated as a veggie based stick. Any of these possibilities are plausible.

If it is being reformulated, what does this mean for Tabac? I can hear the screams of despair now.

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 04-30-2012, 11:02 AM
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(04-30-2012, 10:35 AM)bullgoose Wrote: If it is being reformulated, what does this mean for Tabac? I can hear the screams of despair now.

Oh, the udder thought of it. Don't they know if it ain't broke, don't fix it?Angry

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 04-30-2012, 11:25 AM
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Maybe they will have the Valobra people make it instead, so it will be an even better soap! Cool

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 04-30-2012, 11:39 AM
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Maybe they will actually pay attention to the email campaign started on B&B a few months ago and come out with it in a milk glass bowl, instead of stick only. (yeah right)

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 04-30-2012, 11:43 AM
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If the wholesalers have de-listed the Irisch Moos shave sticks, it could simply mean the distribution channels changed. Products come and go, and sometimes get reformulated. In the end, it is nothing to worry about. There are so many options available that we will always have some excellent soaps and creams.

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 04-30-2012, 12:18 PM
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All we have to do is look to recent history. How did the Penhaligons reformulation turn out? It is definitely something to worry about. Nine times out of ten, the reformulation yields an inferior product.

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 04-30-2012, 12:19 PM
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(04-30-2012, 11:43 AM)Tbone Wrote: If the wholesalers have de-listed the Irisch Moos shave sticks

The wholesalers did not de-list it...the manufacturer did. All I really know is that it is not currently in production. What this means for the future though is anyone's guess.

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 04-30-2012, 12:23 PM
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(04-30-2012, 11:02 AM)Johnny Wrote: Don't they know if it ain't broke, don't fix it?Angry

Unfortunately they don't. Angry Manufacturers reformulated Penhaligons and Trumper soaps and eliminated Yardley shave soaps completely.

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 04-30-2012, 12:35 PM
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There is a war on in the E.U over parabens. Everything will change.

Penhaligons, I do not follow the brand, I guess people were not happy with it. When did they change the formula.

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 04-30-2012, 12:46 PM
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Parabens aren't in soaps. The "war on parabens" only impacts creams.

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 04-30-2012, 01:10 PM
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(04-30-2012, 12:35 PM)Shave a Buck Wrote: There is a war on in the E.U over parabens. Everything will change.

Penhaligons, I do not follow the brand, I guess people were not happy with it. When did they change the formula.

Penhaligons was one of the best performing shave soaps until they reformulated it. The reformulation happened around 3 to 4 years ago I believe. Same thing with Trumper. The old tallow version of Penhaligons English Fern shave soap can now fetch north of $100 in the bowl (if unused).

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 04-30-2012, 01:11 PM
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(04-30-2012, 12:46 PM)insomniac Wrote: Parabens aren't in soaps. The "war on parabens" only impacts creams.

Spanish Fig and Nutmeg has parabens on it,as well as the Coates Tea Trea shaving soap (both hard soaps).

I dont know if Irisch Moos is gonna be reformulated...to be honest,I feel that its gonna be eliminated from the market.I hope this time to be wrong.

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 04-30-2012, 01:14 PM
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(04-30-2012, 01:11 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(04-30-2012, 12:46 PM)insomniac Wrote: Parabens aren't in soaps. The "war on parabens" only impacts creams.

Spanish Fig and Nutmeg has parabens on it,as well as the Coates Tea Trea shaving soap (both hard soaps).

I dont know if Irisch Moos is gonna be reformulated...to be honest,I feel that its gonna be eliminated from the market.I hope this time to be wrong.

If I had to bet I would also bet IM is being eliminated rather than reformulated. That said, I do not know for sure.

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 04-30-2012, 05:32 PM
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This is sad, reformulating usually does mean they screw it up. Pens and trumpers (as stated by bull goose) are record of this.

I have only one puck of EF left besides the one in rotation, and only one of the coconut trumpers. Both of them rock my face off!! I love them and they could not be bought for any money (at least I don't thinkBlush)

Why they do this? I do not know. I have tried the trumpers both ways and there is a hugh difference in lather ability and I have not tried the Pen's both ways. Hopefully by the time I have to try it they will have found their mistake and will have fixed it. My stick of Irisch Moos has become all that more precious! Angry

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 04-30-2012, 08:43 PM
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Having tried both the tallow Pen's and the current stuff, its such a shame. A fantastic product was ruined for really no reason at all. The tallow prohibitions excuse is utter nonsense. DRH makes tallow soaps, so do countless other manufacturers in europe. Oh, and the Pen's bath soaps contain tallow.....

Regulation I think not

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 05-01-2012, 04:57 AM
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I sent them an e-mail either way. Not that one voice will matter. If the dollars spent each month on their product isn't loud enough then I'm sure nothing else is. Short of re-releasing in the milk-glass jar OR the current formulation I imagine we're in for a reformulated disappointment if we see it again.

I've come to appreciate D.R. Harris more and more each day.

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 05-01-2012, 05:21 AM
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How can Parabens only be in soaps, I disagree since this is the reason why Proraso re-formulated as well.

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 05-01-2012, 07:08 AM
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(05-01-2012, 05:21 AM)Shave a Buck Wrote: How can Parabens only be in soaps, I disagree since this is the reason why Proraso re-formulated as well.

It is generally the shave creams than have parabens since they need a preservative of some kind. For the most part, soaps do not have parabens (since they do not need a preservative) although there are a few notable exceptions.

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 05-01-2012, 07:13 AM
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The Proraso soap was never really a hard soap anyway - it seemed to basically be the shaving cream in a tub format, and so a little drier.

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 05-01-2012, 02:17 PM
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If they were losing money on it, then who can blame them for discontinuing it. I enjoy Tabac as much as I do Irisch Moos. Maybe M&W decided they'd made a mistake buying it from Muehlens. Evidently Muehlens didn't do well with it either. It's a shame to lose another tallow soap.

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