05-03-2012, 07:13 PM
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Valet Auto-Strop Razors

Despite the fact that these all appear similar upon superficial examination, and based on my recent experience with the GEM 1912 family I decided to do a close examination of the various Valets in my possession right at the start.

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VC1 instruction sheet

The test razors will be:

VC1- Part of a 1935 Model C Special Set - the razor itself is known as the “$1 model”
VC2- Produced from ‘28-‘35 - the “Million Dollar Razor”
VC3- Produced from ‘35-‘40
VC4- Produced from ‘41-‘46 - the "runner-guard" model (my granddads razor)

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VC1, 2, 3, and 4

There are minor differences in the handles, nothing to write home about. They are fully knurled with useable cut knurling, no wimpy molded knurling here. Some of the handles do have grooves cut the full length of the handle. IMO, these are some of the nicest handles I’ve ever used on a razor. They are 3/8" in diameter and 3" long.

The VC1 weighs 60 grams, the rest weigh 65 grams (my scale is accurate to 5 grams). The dimensions of the heads are all the same. When I remove the handles and place the bottom of the head on a flat surface the highest part is 11/16" high. The depth of the head from comb to the rear is 1", and the width of the head is 1 13/16".

The heads are where the major differences lie. As the production progressed it appears that the factory was involved in major cost cutting and in designing ways to make their blades and only their blades to fit the razors. Because of that, these Valets require special blades and for some models there is only one modern blade that will fit. Feather makes a SE blade for the Valet, and I know that it fits all of my AutoStrops. The Valets that require this special blade have a punched out blade cover to fit the punched out Valet or Feather blades. These models are VC2, VC3, and VC4. The VC1 and earlier can accept a modified modern SE blade as well as the Feather and Valet blades. The modification consists of removing the spine and snapping off each rear corner. It’s no big deal to modify a blade. So the early Valets have all the blade choices of any other SE razor plus the Feather or Valet blades. The younger models can only accept a vintage Valet blade or the modern Feather. It just so happens those are the years Valet was owned by Gillette, what a surprise!. I only get 2 good shaves from a Feather and I’ll use Feathers for this review to keep everything as much the same between razors as possible, so every other shave, I’ll use a fresh blade.

Edit: 2 shaves per Feather SE? I've since found this to be pure BS on my part. I was assuming the DE blades were the same as the Feather SE blades. I've since found that they are not the same. I get at least 7 shaves from a Feather SE blade in a Valet.

One short mention... The AutoStrop is designed to strop the blade. Initially I wasn’t going to do that since I had a bad incident not too long ago, but I think I’ve gotten over my trauma and can try it again. Feathers make the perfect blade to strop since I normally only get 2 shaves per blade. If I get significantly more shaves we’ll know that it works.

The Valets that require the specific blades are easily identified by a full blade holder, very little of the blade can be seen with these models. Maybe 1/16" is left showing near the comb. The type that can accept modified blades has a short “half” blade holder and a great deal of the blade remains showing after installation. Pictured, only the VC1 to the left can accept a modified blade. Earlier models can as well.

Before a detailed comparison I need to install some blades.

The VC1 has a spring loaded blade holder that will accept modified SE blades or Feather SE blades. Of course it’ll also accept vintage Valet blades as well. With this model you begin as with every Valet. The head locking lever is pushed up to unlock the head and blade. Then hold the blade by the left side only and get the blade to “start”under the little turned out flap of the leaf spring of the blade holder. While not grasping the sharp edge (common sense), working only from the left side of the blade, it’s slid into place. It takes much longer to write and read this than it does to accomplish the job. Pushing down on the blade locking lever raises the comb and the blade is held firmly by the clips on the comb.

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The blade locking lever is between the head and the handle. It also can adjust the aggressiveness of the razor on this model (VC1).

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Notice the turned up edge of the leaf spring that retains the blade. It's to the lower right of the blade holder here.

The VC2 begins with the same locking lever, then when it’s unlocked the blade holder is swung open to reveal a door that unlatches from the right side. That is swung open to reveal some punched raised areas that mate with the proper blade (already discussed). I took a Feather and aligned the punched area on the blade with the raised areas. Make sure the blade is installed as close to the pivot point of the razor cover as possible or you’ll be in for a very aggressive shave. The razor will allow that. Also make sure the blade is aligned properly. Complete the installation with the locking lever and make sure that the head locks closed.

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The VC3 gets opened the same way, so we jump to swinging the blade holder open and find a similar punched area with raised “pins” that mate with the blade. This razor has rounded areas that allow one to properly align the blade . Again, mount the blade as far rearward toward the pivot as possible. This should put the notches in the blade at one extreme and that’s what you want. Again, failure you do this will give a super aggressive shave. This model has little “wings” that keep the blade in place and I manually closed them on the blade, but the wings will automatically cam closed if one doesn’t do that. After that is accomplished lock the head and make sure it’s locked.

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The raised areas used for visual blade alignment are on the blade holder and inside the wing tabs.

The VC4 Blade was installed exactly the same as the VC3 blade was installed. One difference with the VC4 was immediately apparent before even installing the blade. It has a bar comb (runner-guard), the others have open combs. Of course that didn't affect blade installation. It's just an observation.

Notes on blade installation. Frankly they leave a lot to be desired. The easiest installation was with the VC1 where the blade just slid in from the side. The other models that require the pins to go into the cutouts on the blade are just nuts. Once in it’s secure and since these blades could be stropped maybe it wasn’t all that big a deal back in the day. But I only get 2 shaves out of a Feather blade, so doing this every other day if these were my everyday razors would be too much. Maybe with experience I’d get faster, but one still has the fingers very close to the ultra sharp edge. The little bit I handled the blade to align it I came very close to seeing blood on 2 occasions. I have no doubt it was designed that way so that Gillette could have a captive audience for their proprietary blades for the Valet razors. It worked, the Valet is no longer in production.

Examining the different models closely w/o my glasses (I’m myopic and I can see extremely well up close) there are definite differences with blade exposure. As with the GEM 1912 family there are differences in the relation of the curve of the comb to the blade. The VC3 and 4 both have a greater distance from the comb to the blade. The same models also appear to have more of a blade gap. Maybe these two changes will cancel each other out and yield a similar shave from all four models? We’ll find out. The plan for the shaves is to alternate each blade exposure type to see if I can discern a difference between them. I may also add some additional shaves and alternate between similar models to check those as well. So to sum it up, the older models, the VC1 and VC2 have less gap but the blades are closer to the comb. The newer models, the VC3 and VC4 have blades farther from the comb but more gap.

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VC1 blade exposure- close to the curve of the open comb

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VC3 blade exposure- farther away from the comb

All of the razors have the same Rube Goldberg look to them with tiny gears on the sides. I absolutely love the look. These gears work in conjunction with the rollers seen at the rear of the head for stropping the installed blade. In practice it works great, but that isn’t what this review is about. Just Google “stropping with a Valet Autostrop” or something similar and you should find a few Utube videos to see how it works.

The first shave is with the gorgeous VC1. This razor is a medium aggressive razor. Very nice feel to it. It gave a close, 2 pass plus touchups BBS without any problems, hitches or surprises. The angle is typical SE razor angle, a very shallow angle to the skin, almost with the head wiping the skin. The aggressiveness of this razor comes as no surprise, it’s one of the two razors that have the cutting edge close to the curve of the comb.

I didn’t strop the blade with the VC1 as the razor is pristine and I didn’t want to wear any of the plated parts. Because of the leaf spring that holds the blade tightly I have no doubt I wouldn’t have run into the problems I did when stropping the blade with the VC4. The VC4 holds the blade with “wings” at the side of the razor and the blade is sort of held in place by the punched out portions of the blade and the corresponding punched areas of the head. I don’t like the way the blade loads one bit, but after spending time with it it isn’t difficult to figure out and get right every time. When stropping the blade, well the operation is rather “sloppy”. The blade isn’t held snugly by the very nature of the “clamping” mechanism, so after it blade flips even once the blade is out of place in the razor head. That might not be a problem when stropping, but one needs to put it back into place to shave again. I successfully stropped the blade and it’ll be used tomorrow.

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Modern Feather SE blade on the left, a vintage Valet blade on the right

For the second shave I followed the gorgeous VC1 with the ugly duckling of the bunch, my granddads VC4. Many months ago I tried this razor for the first time and thought it was quite aggressive. I used it again for this review and thought it was too mild. It could be I’ve grown, or maybe the blade wasn’t positioned the same for each shave. But let me change the subject for a moment. I used yesterdays stropped blade and frankly it was the pits. It wasn’t cutting much and I wasn’t looking forward to scraping whiskers off, but wanted to cut them off, so I put in a new blade. Maybe a stropped blade was better or less expensive than a new blade 70 years ago, but a stropped blade certainly isn’t better than a new Feather. Blade loading is the pits in this razor. There is no way to accomplish it w/o handling the cutting edge of the blade, or at the very least, getting extremely close to it. I’m thinking a hairs breadth close, not even 1/16" away from it. But I installed the blade and got a mid aggressive shave, but bordering on mild. I checked the blade stops on the comb and the blade was correctly in place. It might be a 4 setting on a Slim. It’s not an everyday razor for me. Because of the less than optimum blade installation routine I may never use it again. This is my granddads razor and I’d like to use it, but it has too many things going against it. This razor has the blade positioned further from the comb, but with more gap. I mention that only to explain the (for me) too mild shave. This shave would be fine for some folks.

OK, so I don’t store the blade in the razor I just used it in. I've got to use another Valet with the same blade for another shave tomorrow. So now was time to remove it from the razor. Opening the head isn’t a problem and the wings slide out of the way easily, but the waxy glue used on the blade makes the blade adhere to the head. I thought the installation of the blade was hairy, removal was even more so. Now I’m trying to use my fingernail to pry the blade up in the only area of the head where I can really see any blade to get leverage on, right near the edge. I do not like this razor. It’s very poorly designed for todays Feather blades. It may have been wonderful for Valet blades, but I’m not using Valet blades. If you have a Valet razor that was handed down to you you might find it worth the hassle, but I don’t. I did manage to pull off all of the blade “operations” w/o blood though. But done many times you’re only kidding yourself if you think it’ll never happen.

The 3rd shave was with the VC2 “Million Dollar Razor”. This is another Valet with the blade edge close to the comb, so I’m going to expect a mid aggressive shave like the VC1. Blade insertion is a real PITA with this razor also. The same problems all over again. This is the razor that has the same swing open head and then when that’s open it has another door that swings open. There are too many places for the blade to settle in on the pins, and to make matters worse this razor doesn’t have the raised areas to align in the cutouts of the blade to show you that you’re close. Same faults as with the VC4 blade loading, the fingers must work in very close proximity to the cutting edge. But I finally got it in place, and the blade is up against the blade stops.

Once the blade is installed properly it gave a great shave, 2 passes plus touchups for a BBS. I prefer a more aggressive razor, but this would do for me. I’m guessing that part of the great shave is the ultra sharp Feather blade. This razor is one of the Valets I have that has the blade close to the curve of the comb. That explains it having a shave I can live with.

The next shave will be with the VC3 Autostrop and as is my usual practice I installed the blade in it after using it in the VC2. Of all the “match up the slots with the pins” type Autostrops this design is the easiest for blade loading. It went smooth and fast today.

The shave was a bit mild for me, but I expected that. The shave was excellent for the mildness of the razor. It was a BBS in 2 1/3 passes (that equals 2 passes plus touchups). For a Feather blade on it’s 3rd shave, that was some kind of phenominal. Actually the shave was as good as the Valets with the more aggressive geometry.

To recap: The looks of these razors for me is better than acceptable. I really like the Rube Goldberg look to the shave head. For me the design flaw for these razors, and particularly the VC2, 3, and 4 is the blade loading. Once the blades are loaded they give acceptable to great shaves, depending on the year in which it was made. The newer ones (VC3 & 4) give a milder shave. The VC1 & 2 gave a mid aggressive shave. Blade loading for the VC1 is the best of the bunch, it’s easy, fast and the hand is away from the sharp edge of the blade. I anticipate my using the VC1 far more than all of the others combined for a few reasons: it has a shave experience I prefer, because of the easier blade loading, and because it will take modified SE blades. As far as stropping a Feather blade... I won’t bother doing that again unless the shavepocalypse is upon us and I absolutely have to. But the real answer for that IMO is to stock up on blades now so that I won’t need to strop blades.

Before I close this review, if you have a Valet that takes the modified SE blades (VC1 and earlier) it would be good now to show and explain how to modify a standard SE blade so that it’ll work in the razor. Doing this will allow one to use any SE blade intended for shaving to be used in your Valet. This lowers the cost of using these razors substantially and allows blade options. Sorry, there is no good way to modify a SE blade for the later Valets (VC2,3, and 4) , Gillette saw to that.

I would like to but the software won't allow the pictures, so I'll edit this portion out and start a new thread.

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 08-22-2012, 07:53 PM
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Time to revive an old thread! I picked up a VC4 (seen below) the other week, and will be picking up my Feather single edge blades from the post tomorrow, and consequently experiencing my first SE shave. Any tips or suggestions? I don't plan on stropping ever, unless this is something that is necessary?

P.S. Anyway suggestions on how to remove the tarnish from the handle? Brass bristle brushes weren't doing it, and I felt like the stainless steel was starting to take the finish off...

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 08-22-2012, 09:04 PM
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Don't do anything more to revive the finish! That's gold plate and all you an do is remove the soft gold. Trust me on this...I know.

You might want to send it out for a replate, but that's about the only way to revive it.

I wouldn't strop a blade. Just use and discard when it's dull. I stropped a brand new blade and all it did was destroy it.

Play with the blade installation to find out what you want. There are a number of ways the Feathers can be installed.

Other than that, just enjoy it.

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 08-23-2012, 03:42 PM
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I had my first shave with my VC4 today using a super lather of Old Spice fresh lime cream, Brambleberry lime glycerine shave soap, and my Semogue 1805. This was one the slowest shaves I've had in a long time, as I felt like I might cut myself any minute. I definitely felt the increased feedback in vibration/"purring" of the blade. I also found this to be the most aggressive razor I've used yet (though the most aggressive razor I have is the Bostonian). I attempted two passes, wtg & atg. I took a while to get used to the proper angle to hold this thing at, and I think with more practice, I'll be able to speed up my shaves significantly. I was surprised to find that there was little to no irritation after this shave, especially on my neck, the most troublesome part. Perhaps the magic is in the feather blade, but I'm guessing its the single edge itself.

I have a Gem 1912 and a Gem Push coming in the mail so I can test if SE razors are actually a good fit for me, and not just the Feather Blades. Perhaps this forum will have another LOSER on it's hands.

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 08-23-2012, 04:19 PM
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Thanks for the information. I found the design of the razor fascinating and can see the appeal of extending the life of the blade. Are the earliest Valet blades as thin as modern blades? If they are thicker, I can see how stropping them might extend their life. Anyway, thanks for the show. Biggrin

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 08-23-2012, 04:57 PM
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Beautiful pictures and great information. These razors are stunning. Thanks for sharing this!

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 08-23-2012, 09:33 PM
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(08-23-2012, 04:19 PM)matloffm Wrote: Thanks for the information. I found the design of the razor fascinating and can see the appeal of extending the life of the blade. Are the earliest Valet blades as thin as modern blades? If they are thicker, I can see how stropping them might extend their life. Anyway, thanks for the show. Biggrin

One of the things I REALLY like about these forums is you guys keeping us on our toes with questions we never even thought to ask or we just assumed we knew the answers to. This is a case in point.

The Valet blade pictured in the review has been opened and naked for maybe 70 or so years- no way would I ever consider using it. OK, so I have a few original Valet blades and never even opened one to see what was in there. I did so tonight to answer your question accurately. It needs to remain unanswered as to thickness at the moment. I opened a blade and found the incredible packaging job that they did. I intend to try shaving with this original blade because from what I saw of the packaging I trust the quality of the blade and the packaging to maybe have kept rust at bay. I'll also mic the thickness compared to a modern Feather blade.

This will be interesting. I'll definitely get back to this.

Edits: added stuff and polished it a bit.

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 08-25-2012, 06:59 AM
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The Valet blades are .011 thick
Feather: .009
Modern GEM SE: .009

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 08-25-2012, 07:47 AM
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Brian, great information, here!

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 08-25-2012, 09:30 AM
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Ohhh, I'll have to pay attention to hear your results if you shave with the Valet blade. I've got a pack of vintage valet blades that ive been considering trying. I'll let you be the guinea pig first though. Tongue

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 08-25-2012, 09:39 AM
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Thank you Brian for an in depth review of these wonderful razors & blades.

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 08-25-2012, 01:08 PM
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Sorry, Brian. I did shave with the vintage Valet blade. I put it in my SOTD, but forgot to post it here.

I was all gung ho wanting it to work, and if I was from the 20s/30s needing my shave of the week it might have worked better. Understand it wasn't a rusty blade, it wasn't that sort of a "dull/rusty" shave. But we make much sharper blades today and frankly I'm spoiled. I could have finished with the blade, but I knew it wouldn't have been a shave I'd have liked, so I changed the razor back to my used modified GEM after only a few strokes.

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 11-04-2015, 06:32 PM
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Thanks Brian. Three + years later I am reviving this thread. I am acquiring a VC4 (The "Ugly Duckling")  Wink and I found your report to be extremely informative. Never used an SE before, I plan on using modern Feather SE blades. Should be interesting.  Sherlock

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 11-04-2015, 07:54 PM
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Good luck with it!

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 11-06-2015, 05:34 AM
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Enjoy Primo. The Valet razors are quite neat. The feather spineless blades are sharp and smooth but tend to have more DE-like longevity despite being a SE blade.

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 04-01-2017, 11:42 PM
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I have the VC1 and VC4, both readily available on both Fleabay and Etsy.  Looking around though I note that the VC3 is scarce in comparison to the other models.  Not surprising I guess considering it was introduced mid depression.  I have not actually used mine yet but intend to.  Too many other razors in the collection too.  I intend to try both the Feather blades, the stainless and carbon steel versions.  Probably even try stropping the carbon steel version.

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 04-02-2017, 06:15 AM
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Valets are easy to get as they don't get much love. I like them and have a few. If you like agressive razors try playing with the back lever, that made a big difference for me.

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 04-02-2017, 07:32 AM
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(04-02-2017, 06:15 AM)lloydrm Wrote: Valets are easy to get as they don't get much love. I like them and have a few. If you like agressive razors try playing with the back lever, that made a big difference for me.

I always have figured that the lever all the way back so the blade is fully seated as low as possible in the stops should be the most aggressive position.  The VC4 stops are minimal compared to the VC1 razor's stops too.  I certainly do not want the blade to be set high enough so it can swing to the blade replacement position.

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 04-02-2017, 07:50 AM
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The lever on the vb version was officially designed to adjust agresiveness, so I figured it could work on the others and it does. You barely touch the lever and check it doesn't open all the way by shaking it first. What holds the blade and prevents it from flipping is not the stop on the vc4. If you want to try it start with the vc1.

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 05-07-2017, 09:30 PM
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No idea what article you recall but this might help:

The only difference between the "B" and "C" models is that the mechanism through which the strop is fed at the back of the razor head has a lower roller in Model B and a lowsr smooth bar in Model C. 

The "B" and "C" designations are given by Valet themselves, and some boxes are marked "Model C" etc.

Before 1920, the company was only named "Autostrop" and only the B model head was manufactured, and the blade simply slotted in and was held in place by tabs.

Between 1922 and 1927, both B and C models were manufactured simultaneously (perhaps from different factories or at different price points). The blade simply slotted in- sideways in some heads and vertically in others -and this is the Type 1 which will take despined standard SE blades.
Waites calls these slot loading 1922-1927 Valets VB1 and VC1.

Between 1928 and 1935, both B and C models were manufactured simultaneously, but now with a folding gate to hold the blade in place.
This is the Type 2 loading style.
Waites calls these gate loading 1928-1935 Valets VB2 and VC2.

Between 1935 and 1941, only the Model C head was manufactured, with the blade held in place by pivoting "ears."
Waites calls these ear loading 1935-1941 Valets VC3. 

From 1941, the Model C head still had the pivoting ears but the open comb was replaced by a safety bar.
Waites calls these ear loading safety bar post-1941 Valets VC4.

So to summarise:
B=head with upper and lower stropping rollers.
C=head with upper roller and lower stropping bar.

pre-1920: Autostrop Co. Model B head only. Type 1 blade loading: blade slots in.

1922-1927: Valet Autostrop Co. Models B and C heads. Type 1 blade loading: blade slots in. Waites VB1 and VC1.

1928-1935: Models B and C heads. Type 2 blade loading: blade secured by folding gate. Waites VB2 and VC2.

1935-1941: Model C head only. Type 3 blade loading: blade secured by pivoting ears. Waites VC3.

post-1941: Model C head only. Type 3 blade loading: blade secured by pivoting ears. Open comb replaced by safety bar. Waites VC4.

Read more: http://theoriginalsafety2.com/thread/118...z4gSiR65Is

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