03-11-2014, 05:45 PM
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  • ben74
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At the request of another member I have some comparison images of the...

Simpson Emperor 3
(Manchurian)

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and the

Simpson M7
(Manchurian)


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 03-11-2014, 05:47 PM
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Simpson M7 vs E3...

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 03-11-2014, 05:53 PM
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The M7, as pictured, looks terrible Ben ... really doesn't fit in well with the rest of your fine collection.
I volunteer to take it from you if you wish ... Angel

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 03-11-2014, 05:54 PM
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More M7 vs Emperor 3...

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 03-11-2014, 05:57 PM
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M7 and Emperor 3 among similarly longer handled friends...

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 03-11-2014, 06:04 PM
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I was just kidding earlier, Ben ... wonderful photos of some wonderful brushes ... thanks for sharing.

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 03-11-2014, 06:07 PM
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Let me start by saying I don't prescribe to the theory that there are brushes specifically reserved for bowl lathering versus face lathering. That said, I must admit that a longer handled brush is certainly more convenient to bowl lather with as opposed to a short handled one. Similarly, I've found that the more slender handles are again more suited to bowl lathering than the more girth challenged (or wider) ones.

For me personally, the Emperor 3 is the highlight of Simpson's bowl lathering orientated brushes. It is slimmer than the M7 avoiding brush handle or knuckles colliding with the interior of a bowl and long enough to use in a variety of heighted vessels.

The taller Polo 10, is primarily a bold statement piece, but at the same time an entirely usable brush. However I've never found it to be my favoured bowl lathering tool. I can use it comfortably in the shallow and wide mouthed stainless steel Aesop bowl, but very little else.

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 03-11-2014, 06:10 PM
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(03-11-2014, 05:53 PM)Agravic Wrote: The M7, as pictured, looks terrible Ben ...

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(03-11-2014, 06:04 PM)Agravic Wrote: I was just kidding earlier, Ben ... wonderful photos of some wonderful brushes ... thanks for sharing.

Biggrin

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 03-11-2014, 06:17 PM
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Handle specifications (width x height):

Emperor 3... 33 x 61mm

M7... 36 x 61mm

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 03-11-2014, 06:50 PM
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Thank you for posting this visual comparison which I have been curious about also. I primarily face lather but don't mind longer handles for that at all but I do not care for short handles when I do bowl lather. Not that I need an excuse to get another brush.

Bob

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 03-11-2014, 06:52 PM
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Wonderful brushes! Your collection brings you great pleasure no doubt!

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 03-11-2014, 06:58 PM
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I had a circa-2008 E3 that I liked quite a lot, but it always struck me as being narrower in girth than Emperors from the Somerset period I'd only seen photos of. Those seemed closer to M7 dimensions. Is this true or one of my optical delusions?

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 03-11-2014, 07:10 PM
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Wow Ben, what a great comparison! Thanks for posting, and as usual....amazing pics Biggrin!

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 03-11-2014, 07:39 PM
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That Briarwood handle has to be the most beautiful Briarwood I have ever seen and I need to get a better camera! Biggrin

Ben, you are a very, very fortunate chap! Enjoy the brushes, my friend!

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 03-12-2014, 02:16 AM
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Brushman strikes again!

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 03-12-2014, 02:19 AM
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First of all, thank you for the beautiful pictures, Ben. I truly appreciate you taking the time, my friend.

Secondly, the handle on that M7 is absolutely stunning! Is that regular faux briar? Because it looks quite different from my Jubilee!

And last but not least, I immediately decided on my next Simpsons bowl lathering brush after seeing your pics. The Polo 8/10 and the 58 have completely been ruled aside for the moment, and from your pictures I believe I will enjoy the Emperor 3 more than the M7, which was in fact my initial choice.
Now I'll just have to try and convince Mark to make me an Emperor 3 in Best...! Biggrin

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 03-12-2014, 03:40 AM
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(03-11-2014, 06:58 PM)rsp1202 Wrote: I had a circa-2008 E3 that I liked quite a lot, but it always struck me as being narrower in girth than Emperors from the Somerset period I'd only seen photos of. Those seemed closer to M7 dimensions. Is this true or one of my optical delusions?

Ron there has definitely been some variance within models over time...

(03-11-2014, 07:10 PM)Giorgio Wrote: Wow Ben, what a great comparison! Thanks for posting, and as usual....amazing pics Biggrin!

Too kind! Blush

(03-11-2014, 07:39 PM)celestino Wrote: That Briarwood handle has to be the most beautiful Briarwood I have ever seen and I need to get a better camera! Biggrin

Ben, you are a very, very fortunate chap! Enjoy the brushes, my friend!

Must be the Australian light my friend! Biggrin

(03-12-2014, 02:16 AM)Mouser Wrote: Brushman strikes again!

Title change! Biggrin

(03-12-2014, 02:19 AM)TheMonk Wrote: First of all, thank you for the beautiful pictures, Ben. I truly appreciate you taking the time, my friend.

Secondly, the handle on that M7 is absolutely stunning! Is that regular faux briar? Because it looks quite different from my Jubilee!

And last but not least, I immediately decided on my next Simpsons bowl lathering brush after seeing your pics. The Polo 8/10 and the 58 have completely been ruled aside for the moment, and from your pictures I believe I will enjoy the Emperor 3 more than the M7, which was in fact my initial choice.
Now I'll just have to try and convince Mark to make me an Emperor 3 in Best...! Biggrin

My pleasure, the E3 is IMO the ultimate (Simpson's) bowl latherer's brush! Biggrin

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 03-12-2014, 06:09 AM
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Thanks, Ben. I was trying to pin down, if possible, when the variance in E3's stopped and this new, thinner profile became standard. I thought it might have to do when Vulfix took over Simpson production; there was either a conscious decision to go skinny, or the Vulfix lathes and/or craftsmen were different than the old Simpson ones, and this is the closest they could come to reproducing the older, heftier shape. You can note a similar, subtle change in shape on the Persian Jars and Tulips. The newer ones don't quite duplicate the swoopy curves of the originals, though the pedigree is obvious.

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 03-12-2014, 06:31 AM
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That's a wonderful comparison, you have the collection that is the envy of others Ben!! Your Briarwood is just so well polished its insane.

Having just acquired my grail M7, I am beginning to understanding what you're referring to above. Now I'm able to compare having added an Emperor 2 2Band, I've come to realize when I lather with a bowl/mug and M7 its a bit tight and your crashing into the sides. But I've managed to get around that by using the soaps I have that have their own containers which are low height containers, sometimes its messy but it works. The E2 doesn't really suffer from that problem and is incredibly easy to work up lather on since it is smaller, but feel the knot/loft is a just a bit small and was wondering how the E3 would be as the brush, thanks very much for putting them next to each other.

(do you even use these brushes? they look all so well kept! Biggrin)

great compare, wonderful looking photos that really show off the beauty of the brushes.

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 03-12-2014, 06:36 AM
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(03-12-2014, 06:31 AM)refles Wrote: That's a wonderful comparison, you have the collection that is the envy of others Ben!! Your Briarwood is just so well polished its insane.

Having just acquired my grail M7, I am beginning to understanding what you're referring to above. Now I'm able to compare having added an Emperor 2 2Band, I've come to realize when I lather with a bowl/mug and M7 its a bit tight and your crashing into the sides. But I've managed to get around that by using the soaps I have that have their own containers which are low height containers, sometimes its messy but it works. The E2 doesn't really suffer from that problem and is incredibly easy to work up lather on since it is smaller, but feel the knot/loft is a just a bit small and was wondering how the E3 would be as the brush, thanks very much for putting them next to each other.

(do you even use these brushes? they look all so well kept! Biggrin)

great compare, wonderful looking photos that really show off the beauty of the brushes.

Having a large rotation means that my brushes spend a lot of down time back in their box wrapped in the originally supplied tissue paper. The result is the knot compacts again loosing much of it's bloom until it's used again...

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