03-13-2014, 06:26 AM
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I purchased a Shavemac D01 2 band custom about two years ago. I don't remember the specs but it was a 22mm knot set at like 42mm or something. Whatever it was, it was virtually unusable for me. Every time I used it, it felt like sandpaper on my face and was the stiffest brush I have ever used.

Fast forward to now. I just purchased another D01 to give it another shot after reading rave reviews. It is a 24mm knot at 48mm so more reasonable. I purchased it used so it is broken in.

Shaved with it today and while the experience was much better than my previous brush, I still felt like it was very, very scritchy on my skin. It has great backbone and I love that but from reading reviews, I thought the D01 had softer tips. I have a M&F Blonde Badger with the same specs and it is a whole different experience.

Just curious if this is just how the D01 2band is or is it something that maybe I have to get used to?

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 03-13-2014, 07:06 AM
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The D01 two band I have in the TSN LE beehive brush is indeed quite firm and provides a bit of face feel. I would not call that stiff or scritchy, but that might be personal preference.

I also have a Rudy Vey AS3M with that knot following Rudy's advice, and I am glad I did. It is a bit bigger, I think 24 mm indeed, and a joy to use. Not cloudlike or gel soft, but very comfortable.

So, loft or diameter might indeed be a factor in how the brush feels for you.

In general, I believe, these are indeed known as the most outspoken shavemac knot.


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 03-13-2014, 07:18 AM
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(03-13-2014, 06:26 AM)fbones24 Wrote: I purchased a Shavemac D01 2 band custom about two years ago. I don't remember the specs but it was a 22mm knot set at like 42mm or something. Whatever it was, it was virtually unusable for me. Every time I used it, it felt like sandpaper on my face and was the stiffest brush I have ever used.

Fast forward to now. I just purchased another D01 to give it another shot after reading rave reviews. It is a 24mm knot at 48mm so more reasonable. I purchased it used so it is broken in.

Shaved with it today and while the experience was much better than my previous brush, I still felt like it was very, very scritchy on my skin. It has great backbone and I love that but from reading reviews, I thought the D01 had softer tips. I have a M&F Blonde Badger with the same specs and it is a whole different experience.

Just curious if this is just how the D01 2band is or is it something that maybe I have to get used to?

It may depend on a few factors being hair batch, knot type and density. I have 2 x R7 flat tops with Shavemac D01 2 band knots from September 2013, these had soft tips but they're not dense. See http://shavenook.com/thread-rudy-vey-r7s...d-flat-top

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In Jan 2014, I sent my Chubby 2 to Bernd to be re-knotted with D01 2 band. The bulb knot is 28mm x 53mm, it does have softish tips, however it's scrubby and a little scratchy. I think the scratchiness comes from the knot being very dense, the firmness of the bristles, and most importantly the bulb knot keeping it's shape during the lathering process. I believe if you have either a fan or extreme flat top, the scratchiness may be reduced given the greater propensity for the knot to splay. I'm looking forward to breaking the brush in Biggrin

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 03-13-2014, 09:07 AM
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I have always found the D-01 2-band to be a bit uncomfortable. However, I may revisit it with a higher loft, at some point to see if this helps reduce the scrub.
Best of luck.

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 03-13-2014, 09:14 AM
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My D01 2-bands initially felt quite scratchy, and although they did not irritate my skin they did feel a little uncomfortable. However, over time (6-12 months of use every 2 weeks or so) they softened, and now they feel fine to me, much like a Chubby.

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 03-13-2014, 09:17 AM
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The DO1 2 band is notoriously firm. Many find it uncomfortable, I know I did.

Ted shared his perseverance with taming the DO1 2 band in this thread.

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 03-13-2014, 01:07 PM
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I break mine in using a suribachi bowl. It takes a while but not as long as palm lathering. I have 22,24 & 26mm and all are firmly soft with good pushback. No scratch or prickly at all. fwiw

I have a black badger that was prickly. I rubbed it on fine grain sandpaper as Ted did. It is quite nice now.

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 03-13-2014, 03:42 PM
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(03-13-2014, 01:07 PM)vpayne Wrote: I break mine in using a suribachi bowl. It takes a while but not as long as palm lathering. I have 22,24 & 26mm and all are firmly soft with good pushback. No scratch or prickly at all. fwiw

I have a black badger that was prickly. I rubbed it on fine grain sandpaper as Ted did. It is quite nice now.

I have never considered the sandpaper thing. Wow. I might just try that.

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 03-13-2014, 04:01 PM
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If you try the sandpaper method please do so gently. If you're not careful, you'll flatten the tips. I'd recommend breaking it in naturally by using a bowl or palm lathering.

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 03-13-2014, 05:54 PM
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What style knot do you have? Bulb or fan? It will contribute to how the knot feels.

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 03-13-2014, 06:59 PM
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(03-13-2014, 05:54 PM)hobo701 Wrote: What style knot do you have? Bulb or fan? It will contribute to how the knot feels.

It's a fan and it was used so it has been broken in.

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 03-16-2014, 09:21 AM
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OKay, I would hate to encourage anyone to try the sandpaper thing as I could see things going terribly wrong, but it worked something magic for my brush!!! I did a few gentle swipes on a medium grit paper pad. Back forth, up down. Almost no pressure.

Today's shave with the brush was incredible. Extreme D01 backbone with incredibly soft tips. I am actually astonished how well this worked.

Thanks for this tip!

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 03-16-2014, 10:06 AM
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(03-13-2014, 09:17 AM)ben74 Wrote: The DO1 2 band is notoriously firm. Many find it uncomfortable, I know I did.

Ted shared his perseverance with taming the DO1 2 band in this thread.

Indeed, the D01 2band is by far the firmest brush I have. I only use it with specific soaps as it is scritchier than I like (and that is saying a lot for me).

To the OP, I am glad the sandpaper idea worked, I don't have the nerve to try it with mine, but it is something to keep in mind as a possible answer.

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 03-16-2014, 11:29 AM
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Congratulations on getting the desired results with the sandpaper.

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 03-17-2014, 01:16 AM
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I was also looking for a D01 from Shavemac but as I see it is not well suitable for who likes a soft brush I guess.

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 03-17-2014, 06:23 AM
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(03-17-2014, 01:16 AM)theunnamed Wrote: I was also looking for a D01 from Shavemac but as I see it is not well suitable for who likes a soft brush I guess.

If you're looking for a softer brush, I'd recommend the D01 3-Band. It has plenty of backbone for face lathering, yet is much softer than the 2-Band.

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 03-17-2014, 07:17 AM
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(03-17-2014, 06:23 AM)evnpar Wrote:
(03-17-2014, 01:16 AM)theunnamed Wrote: I was also looking for a D01 from Shavemac but as I see it is not well suitable for who likes a soft brush I guess.

If you're looking for a softer brush, I'd recommend the D01 3-Band. It has plenty of backbone for face lathering, yet is much softer than the 2-Band.


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I'm loving my first DO1 3-Band, plenty of backbone, extremely soft tips...I don't feel the same desire to try DO1 2-Band as I used to Lightbulb

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 03-17-2014, 07:36 AM
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This is not very well related with the thread but I wonder, which shape suits best for D01 3-band, Bulb or Fan shape ?

(03-17-2014, 07:17 AM)LORDBISHOP Wrote:
(03-17-2014, 06:23 AM)evnpar Wrote:
(03-17-2014, 01:16 AM)theunnamed Wrote: I was also looking for a D01 from Shavemac but as I see it is not well suitable for who likes a soft brush I guess.

If you're looking for a softer brush, I'd recommend the D01 3-Band. It has plenty of backbone for face lathering, yet is much softer than the 2-Band.


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I'm loving my first DO1 3-Band, plenty of backbone, extremely soft tips...I don't feel the same desire to try DO1 2-Band as I used to Lightbulb

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 03-17-2014, 07:39 AM
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I recently acquired a Simpson's Polo 8 in2-band Super from a fellow member and I am enjoying it thoroughly. How does this hair compare with the D01 2-band?

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 03-19-2014, 04:01 AM
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Bump. Anyone?

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