04-14-2014, 08:11 AM
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Gentlemen,

After ample consideration I decided to reknot my beautiful Bullgoose Beehives.
As much as I like the handles, horsehair is not my cup of tea and these stunning brushes really do not see enough use.

So, what would be the ideal 25 mm knot for these beehives?

Any help appreciated!



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 04-14-2014, 09:00 AM
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Wim, what type of knots are you thinking of using?

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 04-14-2014, 09:28 AM
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A 24mm 2 band finest would be nice but it depends what you want. I have a custom turned beehive on the way from overseas and thats what im putting in it so I may be a bit biased! lol

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 04-14-2014, 09:32 AM
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How about one of those synthetics knots you got from Muhle?

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 04-14-2014, 11:56 AM
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(04-14-2014, 09:00 AM)celestino Wrote: Wim, what type of knots are you thinking of using?

Good question. I am not sure.

Obviously they came with a rugged knot of horsehair.

So maybe something like a two band or Manchurian to keep that feeling?


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(04-14-2014, 09:28 AM)W.S.O. Wrote: A 24mm 2 band finest would be nice but it depends what you want. I have a custom turned beehive on the way from overseas and thats what im putting in it so I may be a bit biased! lol

Yes, two band seems a right idea.
What knot will you be using?




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(04-14-2014, 09:32 AM)Johnny Wrote: How about one of those synthetics knots you got from Muhle?

They are only 23 mm, Johnny.
But they are oh so nice.

I may consider a 25 x 54 black fibers indeed, that would fit the shape and color of the butterscotch indeed!


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 04-14-2014, 12:03 PM
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(04-14-2014, 11:56 AM)wimbouman Wrote:
(04-14-2014, 09:00 AM)celestino Wrote: Wim, what type of knots are you thinking of using?

Good question. I am not sure.

Obviously they came with a rugged knot of horsehair.

So maybe something like a two band or Manchurian to keep that feeling?


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(04-14-2014, 09:28 AM)W.S.O. Wrote: A 24mm 2 band finest would be nice but it depends what you want. I have a custom turned beehive on the way from overseas and thats what im putting in it so I may be a bit biased! lol

Yes, two band seems a right idea.
What knot will you be using?




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(04-14-2014, 09:32 AM)Johnny Wrote: How about one of those synthetics knots you got from Muhle?

They are only 23 mm, Johnny.
But they are oh so nice.

I may consider a 25 x 54 black fibers indeed, that would fit the shape and color of the butterscotch indeed!


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I am using a 2-Band High Mountain White from WSP.
I agree with you on the butterscotch and black muhle knot. That would be one heck of a nice looking brush!!

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 04-14-2014, 01:59 PM
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I have done one with a 24mm Virginia Sheng Silvertip and another with a Frank's Shaving 26mm Finest fan. Of the two I definitely prefer the latter and here is a picture to help inspire:

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 04-14-2014, 10:24 PM
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Just a newbie question:
Did you consider Muhle's SilverTip Fibre knots ?
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Muhle SilverTip Fibre knot 25 mm, loft set at 54 mm - a very fine brush IMHO.

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 04-15-2014, 03:10 PM
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(04-14-2014, 10:24 PM)Jan Zoethout Wrote: Just a newbie question:
Did you consider Muhle's SilverTip Fibre knots ?
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Muhle SilverTip Fibre knot 25 mm, loft set at 54 mm - a very fine brush IMHO.

Of course, Jan!
I am a big Muhle STF fan, from the earliest release.

But I have already so many....
Might be an option though...


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(04-14-2014, 01:59 PM)blzrfn Wrote: I have done one with a 24mm Virginia Sheng Silvertip and another with a Frank's Shaving 26mm Finest fan. Of the two I definitely prefer the latter and here is a picture to help inspire:

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Nice!

So, 26 mm does fit?


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 04-15-2014, 04:01 PM
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I had to widen the bore with my Dremel to get the 26mm knot to fit in there, but I'm glad I did. The 24mm (measured 23.5mm at the glue plug) Silvertip knot did not require any widening but was a snug fit.

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 04-16-2014, 12:27 AM
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(04-15-2014, 04:01 PM)blzrfn Wrote: I had to widen the bore with my Dremel to get the 26mm knot to fit in there, but I'm glad I did. The 24mm (measured 23.5mm at the glue plug) Silvertip knot did not require any widening but was a snug fit.

It sure looks beautiful!
Well done, sir.

Not sure if I want to go the Dremel route, I am not that clever and handy with those tools though....

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 04-16-2014, 09:10 AM
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(04-16-2014, 12:27 AM)wimbouman Wrote:
(04-15-2014, 04:01 PM)blzrfn Wrote: I had to widen the bore with my Dremel to get the 26mm knot to fit in there, but I'm glad I did. The 24mm (measured 23.5mm at the glue plug) Silvertip knot did not require any widening but was a snug fit.

It sure looks beautiful!
Well done, sir.

Not sure if I want to go the Dremel route, I am not that clever and handy with those tools though....

...and you don't need to be either. I already have the tools and am comfortable using them. I have done several brush restorations (ruined a few in the process) and happened to have a Frank's brush with an ugly (to me) handle and a Vie Long brush with a scritchy/prickly knot. It didn't take too much thinking to find a way to combine the two into one super brush.

If you grab a 24mm knot and watch Teiste's video on steaming out a knot all you will need is some epoxy to make a brush you find more enjoyable.

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 04-16-2014, 09:59 AM
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For me two band finest from TGN is it. I have tried so many knots and so many brushes, but two band finest represents the best feel and the best value for money as far as I am concerned. I pretty much divested myself of non-two band badger brushes. The only one remaining is the Simpson Wee Scot (because it's very special). I have been making brushes with my own handles and restoring old brushes and have been using TGN two band finest 95% of the time.

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Just remember that if the knot opening is 24mm you may want to order a 22mm knot so as to allow for natural fanning out of the bristles. This rule of thumb has worked very well for me.

Best of luck!

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 04-16-2014, 01:01 PM
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Those look fantastic, and they have always been favorites in our own brushmaking!
I'll have a look at the TGN colection this weekend!


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 04-20-2014, 12:38 PM
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Next phase in the reknotting process.

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A knot decision has to be made Confused

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 04-20-2014, 06:12 PM
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I have been very impressed with the current TGN Super 2 Band knots. Medium dense, good backbone and very soft tips. It is set in RV A3SM tortoise handle (24/50mm). I asked Rudy then also to make one in briar with a TGN HMW 24/50mm knot. Should be here in a few days.

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 04-21-2014, 12:51 PM
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Fantastic brush, German!
And a familiar handle indeed, mine is in D01:

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 04-21-2014, 08:05 PM
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TGN Finest or Best Fan Knot gets my vote.

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 04-21-2014, 08:54 PM
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Wim, best of luck and those TGN 2-Band ones are quite nice!
What are you looking for in a knot?

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 04-22-2014, 10:23 PM
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(04-21-2014, 08:54 PM)celestino Wrote: Wim, best of luck and those TGN 2-Band ones are quite nice!
What are you looking for in a knot?

I like my knots to be easy performers.
Making good lather fast.

In general I tend to like bigger knots.
Also I seem to prefer a bit denser knot, for instance at TGN I prefer the extra hair versions over the regular density.
Medium to shorter loft (but not extreme).

I like Manchurian hair.
It is firm, robust yet soft at the tips.
And it has a kind of just right flex and backbone.

I also like silvertip fibers.
Probably for the same characteristics.




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