05-10-2012, 02:43 PM
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I recently posted about a vintage "art deco" style Simpsons brush I picked up.

Just got another vintage butterscotch Simpsons in best. This one has a "B5" designation on the like the modern Beaufort, but the handle not similar to a modern Beaufort. In fact, the handle really does not correlate to any of the currently available varieties. Any info (Gary?) would be appreciated.

Anyway, will post more pics tomorrow as well as specs, etc. in the next couple of days. . .

   

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 05-10-2012, 02:50 PM
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Great brush finds, Mike. Its shape reminds me of the Simpsons Classic but I'm sure one of our experts will weigh in soon. Well done and congrats!

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 05-10-2012, 03:41 PM
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Looks like it's in great shape. I've been curious, what brought on so many butterscotch handles?

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 05-10-2012, 06:26 PM
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(05-10-2012, 03:41 PM)Tonality Wrote: Looks like it's in great shape. I've been curious, what brought on so many butterscotch handles?

Age!

Handles produced between 1938 and 1946 were widely made from a phenolic plastic called Catalin.

Catalin was originally white.

Catalin assumes its Butterscotch colour over time due to exposure to ultraviolet light which gradually converts the phenolic resin into phenyl alcohol, which is brown in colour.

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 05-10-2012, 06:54 PM
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(05-10-2012, 06:26 PM)ben74 Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 03:41 PM)Tonality Wrote: Looks like it's in great shape. I've been curious, what brought on so many butterscotch handles?

Age!

Handles produced between 1938 and 1946 were widely made from a phenolic plastic called Catalin.

Catalin was originally white.

Catalin assumes its Butterscotch colour over time due to exposure to ultraviolet light which gradually converts the phenolic resin into phenyl alcohol, which is brown in colour.

You're kidding! These vintage butterscotch handles were once white? That kind of blows my mind. Can I get a confirmation? (And sorry for diverging this thread on your awesome brush nEver-Ready)

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 05-10-2012, 06:59 PM
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(05-10-2012, 06:54 PM)Tonality Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 06:26 PM)ben74 Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 03:41 PM)Tonality Wrote: Looks like it's in great shape. I've been curious, what brought on so many butterscotch handles?

Age!

Handles produced between 1938 and 1946 were widely made from a phenolic plastic called Catalin.

Catalin was originally white.

Catalin assumes its Butterscotch colour over time due to exposure to ultraviolet light which gradually converts the phenolic resin into phenyl alcohol, which is brown in colour.

You're kidding! These vintage butterscotch handles were once white? That kind of blows my mind. Can I get a confirmation? (And sorry for diverging this thread on your awesome brush nEver-Ready)

It's true, I'm sure the esteemed and much respected Gary Young can provide confirmation of this marvellous scientific fact...

Congratulations Mike on a beautiful find, I'm sure Gary we be able to enlighten us to history of this particular model...

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 05-10-2012, 08:17 PM
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(05-10-2012, 06:54 PM)Tonality Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 06:26 PM)ben74 Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 03:41 PM)Tonality Wrote: Looks like it's in great shape. I've been curious, what brought on so many butterscotch handles?

Age!

Handles produced between 1938 and 1946 were widely made from a phenolic plastic called Catalin.

Catalin was originally white.

Catalin assumes its Butterscotch colour over time due to exposure to ultraviolet light which gradually converts the phenolic resin into phenyl alcohol, which is brown in colour.

You're kidding! These vintage butterscotch handles were once white? That kind of blows my mind. Can I get a confirmation? (And sorry for diverging this thread on your awesome brush nEver-Ready)

Yep. He's right.

That's one reason I'm not a fan of modern "butterscotch" at all that's just orangish resin. Not the same thing to me nor has the allure of time on its side.

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 05-10-2012, 09:14 PM
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Very nice find! Great colour!

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 05-11-2012, 06:11 AM
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Yep....the old butterscotch handles were originally white.

This is why they shouldn't be aggressively polished. You can actually remove the yellow butterscotch layer and reveal the white underneath.

I'm also not a fan of modern faux-butterscotch resin.

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 05-11-2012, 06:22 AM
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(05-11-2012, 06:11 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Yep....the old butterscotch handles were originally white.

This is why they shouldn't be aggressively polished. You can actually remove the yellow butterscotch layer and reveal the white underneath.

I'm also not a fan of modern faux-butterscotch resin.

I quite like the current butterscotch LE's offered by Simpsons, in fact I've now acquired 3 of them...

Duke 3, Rover and Colonel. All butterscotch and all Manchurian.

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 05-11-2012, 06:54 AM
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Ben -

The new Simpsons LE's do have a nice butterscotch colour, however....they lack the variation of the 'aged catalin' butterscotch brushes. I've seen those in shades from yellow to orange. It had to do with the exposure and the time involved.

The old ones seem 'warmer' to me. However, my preference is tinged with the fact that I like old things.

Personally, I like the regular Simpsons ivory handles best (for new brushes). It's a personal choice, though.

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 05-11-2012, 07:27 AM
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(05-11-2012, 06:54 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Ben -

The new Simpsons LE's do have a nice butterscotch colour, however....they lack the variation of the 'aged catalin' butterscotch brushes. I've seen those in shades from yellow to orange. It had to do with the exposure and the time involved.

The old ones seem 'warmer' to me. However, my preference is tinged with the fact that I like old things.

Personally, I like the regular Simpsons ivory handles best (for new brushes). It's a personal choice, though.

I agree the aged Catalin provides the ultimate Butterscotch, but beggars can't choosers and I'm happy to settle for the imitation...

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 05-11-2012, 07:47 AM
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(05-11-2012, 07:27 AM)ben74 Wrote: I agree the aged Catalin provides the ultimate Butterscotch, but beggars can't choosers and I'm happy to settle for the imitation...

Yep, I understand that. I bought the 2009 B&B LE 'pumpkin' brush for that reason. Biggrin

Your brush collection is really very good, and I can see why you'd get the 'scotch Manchurians. I got myself a Manchurian Pearlescent, which I like.

I know you were planning on comparing the new Manchurians to the old ones, did you ever post that comparison anywhere?

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Back on topic:

Mike, that's a really nice brush. Are you sure the knot is original? It looks like a re-knot to me.

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 05-11-2012, 07:49 AM
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A couple of new photos, a couple next to its "art deco" den mate (one a top down knot shot)and another in a line up with a recent Colonel and a Somerset Tulip 4 for size comparison. The knot on this one is 24mm x 55mm and the handle is 55 mm tall. . .

   

   

   

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 05-11-2012, 08:07 AM
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(05-11-2012, 07:47 AM)yohannrjm Wrote:
(05-11-2012, 07:27 AM)ben74 Wrote: I agree the aged Catalin provides the ultimate Butterscotch, but beggars can't choosers and I'm happy to settle for the imitation...

Yep, I understand that. I bought the 2009 B&B LE 'pumpkin' brush for that reason. Biggrin

Your brush collection is really very good, and I can see why you'd get the 'scotch Manchurians. I got myself a Manchurian Pearlescent, which I like.

I know you were planning on comparing the new Manchurians to the old ones, did you ever post that comparison anywhere?

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Mike, that's a really nice brush. Are you sure the knot is original? It looks like a re-knot to me.

Not yet, but I'll be posting my comparison soon, here on the Shave Nook, probably in the Chubby 3 thread I recently started (as I figured the CH3 old & new Manchurian would be the best to compare).

And back on topic, I agree, Mike has a great looking brush there!

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 05-11-2012, 08:17 AM
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(05-11-2012, 07:49 AM)nEver-Ready Wrote: A couple of new photos, a couple next to its "art deco" den mate (one a top down knot shot)and another in a line up with a recent Colonel and a Somerset Tulip 4 for size comparison. The knot on this one is 24mm x 55mm and the handle is 55 mm tall. . .

Nice brushes.

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 05-11-2012, 08:35 AM
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Wow Mike! That's a really nice knot on that brush. Looks to be very dense, from the overhead pic.

Congrats on getting hte pair of them! Is collecting butterscotch Simpsons brushes your new AD? Biggrin

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 05-11-2012, 09:23 AM
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(05-10-2012, 02:43 PM)nEver-Ready Wrote: I recently posted about a vintage "art deco" style Simpsons brush I picked up.

Just got another vintage butterscotch Simpsons in best. This one has a "B5" designation on the like the modern Beaufort, but the handle not similar to a modern Beaufort. In fact, the handle really does not correlate to any of the currently available varieties. Any info (Gary?) would be appreciated.

Anyway, will post more pics tomorrow as well as specs, etc. in the next couple of days. . .

I have quite a similar one but it's named 104 as far as i can tell. It has been re-knotted at the Simpsons factory with best badger hair and it has a new sticker. I hope it will arrive back somewhere next week Cool

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 05-11-2012, 09:41 AM
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(05-11-2012, 07:47 AM)yohannrjm Wrote:
(05-11-2012, 07:27 AM)ben74 Wrote: I agree the aged Catalin provides the ultimate Butterscotch, but beggars can't choosers and I'm happy to settle for the imitation...

Yep, I understand that. I bought the 2009 B&B LE 'pumpkin' brush for that reason. Biggrin

Your brush collection is really very good, and I can see why you'd get the 'scotch Manchurians. I got myself a Manchurian Pearlescent, which I like.

I know you were planning on comparing the new Manchurians to the old ones, did you ever post that comparison anywhere?

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Mike, that's a really nice brush. Are you sure the knot is original? It looks like a re-knot to me.

Can't be sure on the re-knot question, but the knot was yellowed and a bit dusty, so if it was reknotted, it was likely done a long time ago.

(05-11-2012, 08:35 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Wow Mike! That's a really nice knot on that brush. Looks to be very dense, from the overhead pic.

Congrats on getting hte pair of them! Is collecting butterscotch Simpsons brushes your new AD? Biggrin

Hope not! The opportunity to pick these up just sort of popped up. I'm not really looking for more brushes (really). (Of course I would not pass up a pre-1990 Plisson HMW if one fell into my lap. . .)

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 05-11-2012, 09:54 AM
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(05-11-2012, 09:41 AM)nEver-Ready Wrote: Hope not! The opportunity to pick these up just sort of popped up. I'm not really looking for more brushes (really). (Of course I would not pass up a pre-1990 Plisson HMW if one fell into my lap. . .)

Ha! They'll have to pry that Plisson from my cold, dead fingers. Smile

Again, congrats on picking that pair of brushes up. I've been trying to limit the number of brushes I buy, but I'd find it hard to resist those.

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