05-31-2014, 07:50 AM
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Is it just me, or does the 620 really hold just enough for 2 passes (face lathering ?)

I use Marco's method and load the brush for about 45 seconds. I've done this with Cade and Proraso White but by the third pass, I'm always running low on lather even if I gently squeeze the knot a bit. I tried loading for a minute but the results were identical.

The brush is broken in, delightfully so. It isn't a bother loading up a bit more to complete a third pass, but the few times I've bowl lathered with it, I had more than enough left over after the shave.

Curious little thing, this Semogue...

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 05-31-2014, 08:12 AM
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I think you should be getting more than that. I do with both my 620 and 610. I get an easy 2 1/3 passes and have plenty to waste.

If I remember Marcos method it uses a fairly wet brush. If I misremember that than what follows is trash. Try wetting the bristles, then getting rid of most all of the water. You be in control of the water that goes onto the soap and don't allow the brush to control it. Then dip the bristles, just the tips, into water as required to build the protolather on the brush. Then build the lather on the face as you normally do. You'll still need to dip bristles to add water as required.

No matter the brush that's the way I lather all my soaps, creams, whatever. Unless I use a synthetic brush, then I don't pre-wet the bristles at all but just dip tips.

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 05-31-2014, 08:22 AM
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The 620 is one of my favorites. Always have plenty to spare. I mash it against my face a bit and the lather explodes when it splays out . but I've never tried the two soaps you mentioned. Though I have used the Prorasso green.





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 05-31-2014, 10:31 AM
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Boar brushes don't produce as much lather as Badger brushes, for me, but I have never really had any issues with getting enough lather for a 3-pass shave with some left over.
Try working the lather more and adding a bit more water and if you face-lather, use more paint-brush strokes to finish off and to generate that lather.
Personally, I face-lather exclusively, so I am not sure how you are going about it.
Best of luck.

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 05-31-2014, 12:10 PM
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I use a circular motion to build the lather on my face and then use painting strokes to even it out.

If the lather feels pasty during the painting strokes, I will wet the tips of the brush, rework the lather with circular strokes, then even it out with painting strokes again.



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 05-31-2014, 12:15 PM
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Are you sure the brush is fully broken-in?

Also, try loading a little more at the beginning and see if the situation improves.

In any event, if you like the brush, it's not so bad if you need to reload a bit during your shave.

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 05-31-2014, 03:45 PM
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As Steve has mentioned, try loading the soap a bit longer and doing more paint-brush strokes than you normally do with a bit more force such as slapping it on to see what happens.

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 05-31-2014, 04:09 PM
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(05-31-2014, 03:45 PM)celestino Wrote: As Steve has mentioned, try loading the soap a bit longer and doing more paint-brush strokes than you normally do with a bit more force such as slapping it on to see what happens.

What he said.
I never had trouble to get 3 passes + some left over with a Semogue 620.

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 06-01-2014, 02:13 AM
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(05-31-2014, 08:12 AM)ShadowsDad Wrote: If I remember Marcos method it uses a fairly wet brush. If I misremember that than what follows is trash. Try wetting the bristles, then getting rid of most all of the water. You be in control of the water that goes onto the soap and don't allow the brush to control it. Then dip the bristles, just the tips, into water as required to build the protolather on the brush. Then build the lather on the face as you normally do. You'll still need to dip bristles to add water as required.

I tried what you suggested today. I ran out of Proraso White so I used Acca Kappa 1869 croap. It worked!

I got three passes and some cleanup, and still had enough on the brush for easily another pass!

Thanks for the tip. Now to try it with my other brush tomorrow.

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 06-01-2014, 10:09 PM
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Excellent! Glad to have been of help.

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 06-02-2014, 02:35 AM
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(06-01-2014, 10:09 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: Excellent! Glad to have been of help.

Much appreciated. I tried this method with my Semogue 2013 SE today and it worked wonderfully as well. This brush also worked with the wet brush method but I noticed an improvement using the drier brush technique.


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 06-07-2014, 06:37 AM
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my semogue 620 is on the way. how much time will it take for break in ?

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 06-07-2014, 12:44 PM
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I only usually do 2 passes with a clean up, but normally have plenty of lather left over.
The Semogue 620 is my favorite face lathering brush...

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 06-07-2014, 02:14 PM
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Congratulations and the 'drier' brush method works best for me as you have much more control with how much water you are using and I also find it much quicker to build lather.
Enjoy your boar brushes! Smile

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 06-07-2014, 08:29 PM
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I was having a similar problem with my semogues when I realized I was over soaking them. Now I wet about half of loft and go to town. Smile

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 06-08-2014, 07:52 AM
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(05-31-2014, 07:50 AM)Karlo Wrote: Is it just me, or does the 620 really hold just enough for 2 passes (face lathering ?)

You are not the only one
If you search in shaving forums you will find the same question from other members,me too included.
This brush needs a special technique,differs from all my Boars
I don't like painting strokes from the beginning,only in the end
There is no need to spend money for a Semogue brush if the purpose is to do only painting movements
If i had to do that i would buy only 1-2 synthetic brushes old generation.

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 06-09-2014, 07:16 AM
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I love my 620 and it's my only pure boar brush. Piggy_214 I guess the only thing that I might add to this discussion is not to be afraid of going back to the puck for more product.
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 06-09-2014, 11:52 AM
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(06-07-2014, 06:37 AM)buddingshaver Wrote: my semogue 620 is on the way. how much time will it take for break in ?

Mine took several weeks. I followed the break in suggestions of that guy Zack and then lathered with it every other day until I could see a good number of hairs splitting. I'd use it once week to get an idea of its progress.

The first week I got brush burn. The second week, I still got brush burn. The third week was acceptable and by the fourth week, it was what I wanted it to be.

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 06-14-2014, 07:31 AM
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My SOC in bowl lather
2 minutes soak and 1 minute load with La Toja.
In the 3rd pass i had lather for painting moving but not for swirling.

[Image: Phiomegatauomicron1602.jpg]

That brush does not love circular moves.

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 06-14-2014, 08:25 PM
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(06-14-2014, 07:31 AM)Doryferon Wrote: My SOC in bowl lather
2 minutes soak and 1 minute load with La Toja.
In the 3rd pass i had lather for painting moving but not for swirling.

[Image: Phiomegatauomicron1602.jpg]

That brush does not love circular moves.

It can be a bit of a lather hog. I can load more product in the beginning, but i have to spend time thinning the first coat and slicking it up. Easier for me to just squeeze the knot a bit on the third pass, or go back to the puck.

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