06-30-2014, 09:34 PM
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  • bullgoose
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Juan and I are working with Oscar Julian to create a king-sized horse hair brush. We are thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of a 30mm diameter knot and a 64mm loft with an Octagonal handle. We will also release a king-sized silvertip brush at the same time (30mm knot with a 58mm loft). Is this something that would be of interest?

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 06-30-2014, 09:39 PM
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  • ben74
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I like BIG badger brushes! Biggrin

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 06-30-2014, 09:40 PM
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  • bullgoose
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(06-30-2014, 09:39 PM)ben74 Wrote: I like BIG badger brushes! Biggrin

We may have to call it the Big Ben. Biggrin

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 06-30-2014, 09:41 PM
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(06-30-2014, 09:40 PM)bullgoose Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 09:39 PM)ben74 Wrote: I like BIG badger brushes! Biggrin

We may have to call it the Big Ben. Biggrin

In that case, I'm in! Biggrin

Will the SilverTip feature the same handle as the horse?

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 06-30-2014, 09:43 PM
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  • bullgoose
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(06-30-2014, 09:41 PM)ben74 Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 09:40 PM)bullgoose Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 09:39 PM)ben74 Wrote: I like BIG badger brushes! Biggrin

We may have to call it the Big Ben. Biggrin

In that case, I'm in! Biggrin

Will the SilverTip feature the same handle as the horse?

Yes. There may be others down the road though. Until we approached Oscar, his upper limit was 25mm. Now, after some work in the lab, he is able to exceed 30mm. Biggrin

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 06-30-2014, 09:49 PM
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30 to 32mm knot with a 58mm loft sounds good to me.

Below is a 2 band with those dimensions, pictured beside a Duke 3 for size comparison...

[Image: 9oeat2J.png]

An octagonal handle would provide improved grip IMO.

BIG brushes provide a wonderfully luxurious experience.

If you are at all concerned by them, try bowl lathering first.

I however, have no issue keeping lather where it should be when face lathering with my largest brushes.

In fact I relish the decadence!

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 06-30-2014, 09:55 PM
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  • bullgoose
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That brush looks great Ben. Is that an M&F?

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 06-30-2014, 09:59 PM
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  • blzrfn
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I think you would have a much better volume of sales of you made it slightly smaller or made a range of sizes similar to the chubby or stubby series. Going straight to 30 mm might narrow your potential market to an unprofitable size.

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 06-30-2014, 10:00 PM
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  • ben74
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(06-30-2014, 09:55 PM)bullgoose Wrote: That brush looks great Ben. Is that an M&F?

Yes, it is.

I have a size 24 Plisson HMW that I love using too (similar diameter, but higher loft).

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 06-30-2014, 10:00 PM
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  • jamesrobson5
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(06-30-2014, 09:49 PM)ben74 Wrote: 30 to 32mm knot with a 58mm loft sounds good to me.

Below is a 2 band with those dimensions, pictured beside a Duke 3 for size comparison...

[Image: 9oeat2J.png]

An octagonal handle would provide improved grip IMO.

BIG brushes provide a wonderfully luxurious experience.

If you are at all concerned by them, try bowl lathering first.

I however, have no issue keeping lather where it should be when face lathering with my largest brushes.

In fact I relish the decadence!
Signs011 As always Ben Great Brushes.

I would love to get a monster horse hair brush.

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 06-30-2014, 10:03 PM
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  • ben74
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(06-30-2014, 09:59 PM)blzrfn Wrote: I think you would have a much better volume of sales of you made it slightly smaller or made a range of sizes similar to the chubby or stubby series. Going straight to 30 mm might narrow your potential market to an unprofitable size.

You are right in that the mainstream choice is for more modest sized brushes, but the market is already flooded with such brushes, IMO this project represents a more unique offering and therein lies it's appeal...

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 06-30-2014, 10:16 PM
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(06-30-2014, 10:03 PM)ben74 Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 09:59 PM)blzrfn Wrote: I think you would have a much better volume of sales of you made it slightly smaller or made a range of sizes similar to the chubby or stubby series. Going straight to 30 mm might narrow your potential market to an unprofitable size.

You are right in that the mainstream choice is for more modest sized brushes, but the market is already flooded with such brushes, IMO this project represents a more unique offering and therein lies it's appeal...
But the market is bare of Vie long 26-30 mm brushes and if Phil has a chance to snag a more mainstream release then he would probably make a lot more than by going extreme and sitting on several brushes that won't sell but to a few die hards. I would buy a 26 or 28 mm Vie long Silvertip in a heartbeat, if the 30 mm was the first on the market I would wait for the smaller sizes to come, which would be inevitable I would think.

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 06-30-2014, 11:06 PM
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  • jamesrobson5
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Maybe... We can talk Phil and the Vie long team into releasing multiple sizes in the same handle. Most brush makers already do this, as it affords everyone to get a brush that works well for them.
Side note: I'm sure, I'm not the only one that likes the pics of the full set of brushes in series. Whatever happens I think this will be a cool project. Thanks guys.

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 07-01-2014, 01:10 AM
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  • ben74
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(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: Maybe... We can talk Phil and the Vie long team into releasing multiple sizes in the same handle. Most brush makers already do this, as it affords everyone to get a brush that works well for them...

Yes appeal is broadened, but so too are investment costs.

(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: I'm not the only one that likes the pics of the full set of brushes in series...

Here you go...

[Image: Z02xjTQ.png]

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 07-01-2014, 02:52 AM
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(07-01-2014, 01:10 AM)ben74 Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: Maybe... We can talk Phil and the Vie long team into releasing multiple sizes in the same handle. Most brush makers already do this, as it affords everyone to get a brush that works well for them...

Yes appeal is broadened, but so too are investment costs.

(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: I'm not the only one that likes the pics of the full set of brushes in series...

Here you go...

[Image: Z02xjTQ.png]


You never cease to amaze, Ben. Fantastic!

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 07-01-2014, 03:33 AM
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50/50 White natural horse for me Smile

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 07-01-2014, 05:43 AM
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(07-01-2014, 01:10 AM)ben74 Wrote:
(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: Maybe... We can talk Phil and the Vie long team into releasing multiple sizes in the same handle. Most brush makers already do this, as it affords everyone to get a brush that works well for them...

Yes appeal is broadened, but so too are investment costs.

(06-30-2014, 11:06 PM)jamesrobson5 Wrote: I'm not the only one that likes the pics of the full set of brushes in series...

Here you go...

[Image: Z02xjTQ.png]
now this is a treat to the eyes ! thanx Ben for sharing this pic !

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 07-01-2014, 08:29 AM
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The octagonal handle sounds nice. This will be like the Thater 4125 and Shavemac 173 handles, which I've always liked. A classic color like ivory or black would be elegant in that handle.

How about a trio of large brushes in horse hair, silvertip and 2-band? A 2-band with a lower loft would be appealing.

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 07-01-2014, 08:56 AM
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(06-30-2014, 09:34 PM)bullgoose Wrote: Juan and I are working with Oscar Julian to create a king-sized horse hair brush. We are thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of a 30mm diameter knot and a 64mm loft with an Octagonal handle. We will also release a king-sized silvertip brush at the same time (30mm knot with a 58mm loft). Is this something that would be of interest?

That would make me buy my first horse hair brush!

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 07-01-2014, 08:59 AM
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  • Balj86
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That sounds awesome!

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