07-15-2014, 12:02 PM
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I really was surprised when I bought two of the back then new Mühle V2 STF brushes. They created lather fast. They dried fast. You don't need to care for it.

Now that I chose to keep my 50+ Silvertip (2-band and 3-band) badgers, I'm glad. The synthetic still does not give me the same sensation and feel on the face, when I face lather.

The badger is more luxurious in feel. I dislike you have to press through to really get the synthetic to lather.

I now only use 3 synthetics. The 2 are in my travel bag, the third is in my shower. I'm staying with my badgers until they invent a synthetic that you don't need to press through to make it lather and one that feels closer to the feel you get from a luxurious badger brush.

Just my 2 cents.

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 07-15-2014, 02:30 PM
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Well Claus I can't argue with you about the face feel. Although I do love my Plisson for the way it makes lather and the way it feels...it does feel different and nothing beats my Thater or Shavemac Silvertips for feeling luxurious.

I don't dislike how the Plisson or my various Muhle V2 brushes felt, they do feel different and I like them. But I'm not getting rid of my Silvertips or two bands. The Plisson synth is the only synth I am keeping. As good as the Muhle V2 brushes were. Biggrin

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 07-15-2014, 02:42 PM
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I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

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 07-15-2014, 02:46 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:42 PM)ben74 Wrote: I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

Well they do feel quite different Ben, and they are great brushes to be sure. But I can't say I like them more. For me the Plisson is superior, but to others, the Muhle. You say potatoe...

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 07-15-2014, 02:53 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:42 PM)ben74 Wrote: I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

I love the Muhle STF, especially the 25mm, and am now eagerly waiting for my Plisson synthetics to arrive ... Biggrin

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 07-15-2014, 02:57 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:53 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 02:42 PM)ben74 Wrote: I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

I love the Muhle STF, especially the 25mm, and am now eagerly waiting for my Plisson synthetics to arrive ... Biggrin

Yes Ravi, I'm eagerly awaiting your comparison!

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 07-15-2014, 03:03 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:46 PM)Attila Wrote: Well they do feel quite different Ben, and they are great brushes to be sure. But I can't say I like them more. For me the Plisson is superior, but to others, the Muhle.

While I too still prefer badger, I'm developing a strong interest in synthetics thanks to the Plisson.

I hated the last Omega synthetic I tried. Too springy. It really felt unnatural. The Plisson on the other hand is soft and pliable.

What are the main differences between the Plisson and Muhle?

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 07-15-2014, 03:11 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:42 PM)ben74 Wrote: I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

Same here...

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 07-15-2014, 03:26 PM
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Haven't tried the Muhle. Weighing in on synths-first one was a FS, and it was ok, nothing woo hoo about it, nice and functional. Got an Omega from Connaught and was a step up-and it was springy. After seeing all the threads on the Plisson (and owning a Badger Plisson), I went to the local L'Occitane and one. It is phenomenal. I contacted Plisson directly today to see if I can buy one of their synth knots for my handle (it's a system that allows for knot replacement).

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 07-15-2014, 03:28 PM
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(07-15-2014, 03:03 PM)ben74 Wrote: . . . What are the main differences between the Plisson and Muhle?

More springiness in the Muhle, Ben; a firmer feel, requiring more pressure to open up. But the tips will be silky soft.

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 07-15-2014, 03:31 PM
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(07-15-2014, 03:28 PM)rsp1202 Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 03:03 PM)ben74 Wrote: . . . What are the main differences between the Plisson and Muhle?

More springiness in the Muhle, Ben; a firmer feel, requiring more pressure to open up. But the tips will be silky soft.

+2. Couldn't have said it better.

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 07-15-2014, 03:33 PM
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(07-15-2014, 03:28 PM)rsp1202 Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 03:03 PM)ben74 Wrote: . . . What are the main differences between the Plisson and Muhle?

More springiness in the Muhle, Ben; a firmer feel, requiring more pressure to open up. But the tips will be silky soft.

Thanks Ron. The spring is what I disliked about the Omega, perhaps the Muhle is not for me...

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 07-15-2014, 04:41 PM
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Ben, that's been my experience with the 21- and 23mm Muhle STFs. There's no denying that the fibres are springy, but I think you'll get a different perspective on that from Johnny and Ravi. And from what I've read, the 25mm is different enough that you shouldn't write it off yet.

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 07-15-2014, 05:00 PM
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Regarding the Muhle STF V2.0, my observations and evaluations are ongoing ... here are some of my preliminary impressions :

Right now, my feeling is that the 25 has
1. more density
2. more 'give', ie less 'springiness'
3. retains marginally better in terms of water holding
and is better suited for bowl lathering, although it's no slouch when it comes to face lathering ... I've used it both ways.
The 23 has
1. sl. less density
2. somewhat scrubbier feel perhaps because of lower loft; also more 'springy' dynamics
3. less water holding tendencies, compared to the 25
and is better suited for face lathering relatively speaking.

I am definitely leaning towards the 25 as my favorite ... I like the 23 also, and although quite effective, it doesn't have the 'wow' factor of the 25 for me ... YMMV

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 07-15-2014, 05:19 PM
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Thanks Ravi, there is hope that I may find the 25mm to my liking.
However, I believe your comparison with the Plisson will provide the best guide for me.

Ron, I'm not writing it off just yet, in fact I have 2 sitting in my cart at Bullgoose... Biggrin

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 07-15-2014, 05:21 PM
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I hear you, Ben ... I'm anxious to try these acetate handle Plisson synthetics too!

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 07-15-2014, 05:35 PM
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(07-15-2014, 02:53 PM)Agravic Wrote:
(07-15-2014, 02:42 PM)ben74 Wrote: I love the Plisson synthetic too and am now debating acquiring the Muhle STF V2...

I love the Muhle STF, especially the 25mm, and am now eagerly waiting for my Plisson synthetics to arrive ... Biggrin

FYI the 3 synthetics I ended up keeping were the Mühle STF v2 25 mm in faux horn & the Mühle 23 mm in African Blackwood:

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And the Plisson in pearly grey (unfortunately just lost my travel bag on the train, so a new one is on order from Plisson):

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I don't feel the PLisson fibre is that much better than the STF v2 in 25 mm to be honest. I say they are on par with each other.

If I bowl lathered, I would probably like the synthetics more, because you don't get the same face feel, when you paste on lather already created in a bowl compared to when you build the lather on your face with the brush.

So if you are a bowl lather, you might find that you like the synthetics better than most face latherers do.

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 07-15-2014, 05:36 PM
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You have exquisite tastes, Claus!

I especially like the Muhle 'coffin boxes' with the satin lining ... very nice ... Smile

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 07-15-2014, 05:38 PM
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(07-15-2014, 05:35 PM)CHSeifert Wrote: FYI the 3 synthetics I ended up keeping were the Mühle STF v2 25 mm in faux horn & the Mühle 23 mm in African Blackwood:

And the Plisson in pearly grey (unfortunately just lost my travel bag on the train, so a new one is on order from Plisson):

I don't feel the PLisson fibre is that much better than the STF v2 in 25 mm to be honest. I say they are on par with each other.

Claus, sorry to read of your lost Plisson. Sad

Can you compare/contrast the Plisson and the Muhle STF V2 25mm for me please?

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 07-15-2014, 06:12 PM
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Oh my......just saw these two Plisson Fibre brushes, great looking handles for sure Cool

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Might buy these two, just for the handles.
they are screw on, so in case Plisson at some stage makes a v2, I can just buy the knot and screw it in. Just like with the Mühle Stylo brush....but this Plisson design looks better, less clumsy IMHO

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