05-21-2012, 03:40 PM
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After many years of using boar and badger brushes (even very expensive ones), I gave a horsehair brush a try a few months ago. I was immediately impressed, and this started me on a journey to find the perfect horsehair brush.

I bought basically every horsehair brush that Phil had, and figured out that I really liked the Peleon (the natural horsehair brush). It was cheap, but it performed like a champ. The only thing I didn't like about it was the handle, which I found to be uncomfortable to use.

I also tried the 13061, but I didn't care for the 50/50 mane/tail mix of hair. Too floppy for me. However, the handle was lovely.

So, when Phil got his hands on the 13061M, I was really happy.

The 13061M has the same handle as the 13061, but instead of the floppy dyed hairs, it has a natural horsehair knot in a 35:65 mane:tail ratio - the same knot as the Peleon. So now my favourite horsehair knot was in my favourite handle. Smile

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It is a beautiful brush. The handle is much more lovely in person than my pics show. The knot is handsomer than the dyed one too.

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Like most horsehair brushes, it has a strong animal smell when it comes in, so I rinsed it a couple of times. It lost a few hairs, but those were the loose ones, I think.

I couldn't resist lathering it up once, so I loaded a dry puck of Tabac for about 15 secs (shorter than I'd normally use) - because I also find that Tabac is great at overpowering the animal smell of new brushes.

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A few seconds later a thick lather started to build - on par with any brush in my collection. I didn't lather my face with it, but the knot felt great when I lathered my palm with it. Horsehair has excellent properties - it doesn't absorb water or lather like boar, it holds a lot of water in the knot, making lathering easy, and it has great flowthrough. These knots have nice backbone and soft tips - softer than most badger. They have a tiny bit of scritch - also to my liking. Just about perfect, really.

This is a really good brush. At $40, it's not cheap for a horsehair brush (the Peleon with the same knot is less than half that price), but the beauty of the brush justifies this slight expenditure - to me. I'm really glad I got it, and I look forward to using it in the future.

NOTE: There's a review of the bowl used in these pics here.

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 05-21-2012, 04:11 PM
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Excellent review.
I have been told that these have more backbone and a little more scritch than the 13061 out of the box and seem to hold those characteristic over a longer time than the 13061. Has the Peleon you have been using verify that or not?

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 05-21-2012, 05:23 PM
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(05-21-2012, 04:11 PM)GDCarrington Wrote: Excellent review.
I have been told that these have more backbone and a little more scritch than the 13061 out of the box and seem to hold those characteristic over a longer time than the 13061. Has the Peleon you have been using verify that or not?

They certainly have more backbone than the 13061. More scritch? Not really. I find these brushes to have soft tips, with a hint of scritch. I never cared for the 13061 - something about the knot was not to my tastes.

The Peleon hasn't changed much over time - still the same nice backbone, lovely lathering, and wonderful feel on the face. Some of the peripheral hairs have curled outwards with time - that's the only change.

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 05-21-2012, 05:49 PM
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Thank you so much for the review,my friend.
I have the same handle and its a nice one for sure.However I dont like the look of horse hair (unless that is dyed).It seems that Vie Long are making excellent horse hair brushes,and hopefully Ill try one out soon,maybe a mixed boar and horse hair brush.

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 05-21-2012, 06:25 PM
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Ditto on the 13061M great brush I have one with a 50mm loft soft and firm currently my favorite brush.

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 05-21-2012, 07:03 PM
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does horse hair split like boar hair, giving it soft tips like that of the semogues?

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 05-21-2012, 07:32 PM
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Great review, Yohann! Wow, that handle looks fantastic!

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 05-21-2012, 07:36 PM
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What was uncomfortable about the Peleon handle? Too light? Bad ergonomics?

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 05-21-2012, 08:28 PM
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(05-21-2012, 07:03 PM)brucered Wrote: does horse hair split like boar hair, giving it soft tips like that of the semogues?

Mine has not split at all. The softness is pretty much inherent, with a little bit of breaking in with use.

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 05-21-2012, 11:51 PM
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I have the Zurito and it does get a bit floppy after some use. I said after I bought it that if I didn't like it, that handle is getting a badger knot. So far the amount of flop is tolerable. The handle is perfection, I wish all of my brushes had it.

The hair in the 13061 is nice, but I think they either need to pack the knot with more hair or shorten the loft to 55mm.

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 05-22-2012, 02:45 AM
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(05-21-2012, 07:03 PM)brucered Wrote: does horse hair split like boar hair, giving it soft tips like that of the semogues?

I haven't seen any splitting in my Peleon (which I've had for a while). These brushes don't really need it - they're soft at the tips without needing to split. I've read that they get softer at the tips with time, but the character of my knots haven't changed over the time I've had them.

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 05-22-2012, 02:48 AM
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(05-21-2012, 07:36 PM)Brent Wrote: What was uncomfortable about the Peleon handle? Too light? Bad ergonomics?

It is light, but that's actually tolerable. It's the ergonomics that I don't care for. It always feels like it's about to slip out of my hands.

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 05-22-2012, 07:26 AM
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nice review, Yohann. I like the handle on that brush, too. I know Freddy is a big fan of horse hair brushes..maybe in due time, I should invest in one to try.

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 05-22-2012, 07:41 AM
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First actual use was today.

My opinions of how this works as a lather-machine hasn't changed. It really takes no time or effort to whip up a stiff, wonderful lather.

The feel on the face (this is the first time I've actually used this brush in a shave) is very soft. A little too soft, maybe. It somehow doesn't have the same backbone as my Peleon, even though they're supposed to have the same knots.

That's not so say that it lacks backbone.......it doesn't, but it could perhaps stand to be a little shorter in loft (you can order one from GiftsAndCare to your specs).

It reminded me a lot of how my Somerset Simpson brushes feel on the face, though it certainly has more backbone than them. It's equally soft at the tips.

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 05-22-2012, 09:05 AM
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Thanks for the review. I have been on the fence between this brush and the Bullgoose Beehive version for couple of weeks now. Looking forward to seeing how this one does.

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 05-23-2012, 03:47 AM
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Excellent review. The more I reviews I see, a horse brush would be a great addition to my nook. I would be willing to spend a little more on a good horsehair brush then have a cheaper badger.

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 05-23-2012, 03:56 AM
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I bought one of these yesterday from Phil. Cannot wait to get it and try it

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 05-23-2012, 04:29 AM
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Another use of the 13061M, and I can say that this is going to be a favourite. Smile

Used Tabac today, and the brush was easy to load and the lather built up really easily. Perhaps it took a little more time than I would spend with a Thater or Simpsons brush, but not significantly more.

The feel on the face is where this brush really comes into its own. It is soft, with an underlying feeling of firmness. The hairs are not all the same length, and this is what accounts for the really soft feel on the face, coupled with the backbone (at least, that's what I think).

The handle is actually really comfortable and it does look lovely.

I compared it with the Peleon and noticed a few differences in the knots.

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In the overhead pic: Peleon on the left, 13061M on the right.

These knots have the same specs - 23 mm knot with a 57 mm loft. Both are supposed to have a 35:65 ratio of mane to tail hair. However, you can see that the Peleon has a more bulb-shaped knot, with the 13061M having a more fan-shaped knot. This (and maybe some other aspect of the construction of the knots) possibly accounts for the difference in feel of the brushes.

The Peleon feels a bit scritchier and it certainly shows more backbone. The 13061M seems to be a bit floppier, but softer. The Peleon also has a denser feel to it.

I really like the 13061M, but I feel that with a 50-52 mm loft, it would really excel. That would make it better (for me) than most brushes out there, and I'm not excluding the super-luxury Simpsons and Plissons. YMMV, and all that. Biggrin

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 05-23-2012, 05:52 AM
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This is my favorite handle, definitely the most comfortable I've used. I wound up getting a flat-loft silvertip with this handle as well. I have the 50/50 13061 and love it, but after using my natural Beehive from BullGoose, I think I may prefer the 35/65.

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 05-23-2012, 07:07 AM
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Nice Review Yohann. Have you found that you have to comb the bristles out after use?

Both the BG LE's I tried would clump up in the middle of the brush and I had to comb them out several times.

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