05-21-2012, 06:23 PM
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  • vferdman
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I finally received my first Semogue brushes from Vintage Scent. Took about 17 days to get to me in US. I got a 1305 and a 1470. My only other experience with boar brushes was Omega 10275. I love that brush. It took a little while to break it in, but it is one of my favorites and certainly the least expensive. I liked it so well I decided to try the Semogue boars. I deliberated for a long time and ended up ordering the 1305 and 1470 as my first foray into the world of Semogue boar. I wanted to try a both long and short lofts and also experience different grades of hair. 1305 or an 830 seemed like a no brainer and I went with the less expensive 1305. The short loft 1470 was an easy choice as it was a different grade of hair, not dyed and has a cool unpainted wooden handle. I have only gotten the brushes today and have not shaved with them, but did wash and lather them up. Here are my impressions based on that.

First of all, I am really impressed with general quality. The paint on the 1305 handle looks like car paint. Has very durable feel. there are some small air bubbles her and there, but in general the gloss and brightness of the paint are amazing. The second thing that amazed me was how nicely the shape of the handle on the 1305 felt. It is by far the most comfortable and ergonomically correct handle I've tried. The 1470 is a much simpler brush, the handle is not as comfortable as the 1305, but is as good as any handle out there. The finish of the unpainted wood is very nice and I really like the burned in Semogue brand on the butt of the handle. After washing the brushes with castille soap several times I lathered the same castille soap on my palm and got a surprising lather from both brushes. 1305 is really soft, yet firm in backbone and very dense. The 1470 is also dense and soft in tips, but is much sturdier in backbone than 1305. Just based on the limited non-shaving use I LOVED the 1305 and liked the 1470. I noticed that the 1305 has some split ends already. It feels amazingly good right out of the box. I will shave with it tomorrow. 1470 has stiffer bristle grade and also is shorted loft, so it really feels stiff. Also, not nearly as many split ends on it, so the initial feel was not as good. I'll be using these brushes regularly now and report here on the break-in process and my experience with them. I mostly face lather and use soaps like Arko, Cella, GFT, Proraso. Can't wait to use these brushes. They both promise to provide great service. The 1305 has a feeling of the "last brush" as it just feels perfect in weight, size, ergonomics.

Stay tuned.

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 05-21-2012, 06:26 PM
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Soak them, use them, rinse them, and let them dry. Repeat about 30 times and you will love both of them. Two of my favorites.

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 05-21-2012, 06:31 PM
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(05-21-2012, 06:26 PM)Johnny Wrote: Soak them, use them, rinse them, and let them dry. Repeat about 30 times and you will love both of them. Two of my favorites.

Johnny, I know you also have a 1438 for a short loft. How do you like that knot compared to 1470? Ditto for 1250 vs. 1305? I was thinking of SOC, just because it is so beautiful, but I think I don't want to go larger than a 1305. I am thinking 1800 would be an interesting brush to try.

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 05-21-2012, 06:35 PM
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(05-21-2012, 06:31 PM)vferdman Wrote:
(05-21-2012, 06:26 PM)Johnny Wrote: Soak them, use them, rinse them, and let them dry. Repeat about 30 times and you will love both of them. Two of my favorites.

Johnny, I know you also have a 1438 for a short loft. How do you like that knot compared to 1470? Ditto for 1250 vs. 1305? I was thinking of SOC, just because it is so beautiful, but I think I don't want to go larger than a 1305. I am thinking 1800 would be an interesting brush to try.

The 1438 is a nice little brush but I prefer my 1460 and 1470 to it. I believe the 1305 is a better brush than the 1250 or the 1800. I cannot recommend enough to get a SOC someday. Just a fantastic brush. Trust me, you will not be sorry.

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 05-21-2012, 07:39 PM
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vferdman,
Wait until you try the 830! Best Semogue brush, in my opinion, for the money! The bristles are the softest boar you will find and it performs well with everything you ask of it!

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 05-21-2012, 07:40 PM
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Great additions! Enjoy! Post a pic if you get a chance. I'm unfamiliar with the 1470

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 05-21-2012, 10:45 PM
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Brent, the 1470 is the unpainted version of the 1460. Same brush, just natural wood.

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 05-22-2012, 07:46 AM
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(05-21-2012, 07:39 PM)celestino Wrote: vferdman,
Wait until you try the 830! Best Semogue brush, in my opinion, for the money! The bristles are the softest boar you will find and it performs well with everything you ask of it!

I almost bought an 830. In fact I placed an order for it on Amazon, but the vendor took many days to fulfill the order and in the meantime I decided to try two less expensive Semogues for the price of 830. I cancelled the order before it got a chance to ship about 5 days later (?). The 830 has the same exact bristles as the 1305, so I figured I'll try that and some other brush in shorter loft for not much more than the cost of 830. I really like the 830, though and now that I've experienced the 1305 I understand your enthusiasm for your 830. 1305 has an amazingly well thought out handle. It fits my hand just perfectly. I had reservations about wooden handles and thought 830's acrylic handle made more sense, but now that I've tried the 1305's handle I am totally sold on it. It is very well designed. I noticed they have this type of handle on all their larger brushes (besides acrylic, of course). So, I am not dissapointed at going with 1305 instead of 830, but I totally see an 830 in my future. I am very curious about the 10% denser knot which 830 has (compared to 1305 and 1305 is plenty dense) and also the beautiful, albeit less ergonomic handle. Either way, I am very, very impressed with the knot on these brushes. It just feels perfect. And I only shaved with mine once this morning. If this brush didn't change at all it would be a very good brush. I like the slight scritch it has (not much at all, much less than a pure badger) combined with soft tips and backbone. It just feels amazing on the skin. The only improvement I desire (and I am sure it will come in time) is lather holding capacity. I was still able to do 4 passes with it today, but it wasn't abundant at the end. As I said, even if that characteristic did not change I would still love this brush. I reckon 830 is at least as good a brush and possibly adds more lather capacity with its increased density. Just outstanding products by Semogue.

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 05-22-2012, 08:51 AM
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Here are some pictures of my new Semogues.

   

   

   

   

   

   

(05-21-2012, 06:35 PM)Johnny Wrote: The 1438 is a nice little brush but I prefer my 1460 and 1470 to it. I believe the 1305 is a better brush than the 1250 or the 1800. I cannot recommend enough to get a SOC someday. Just a fantastic brush. Trust me, you will not be sorry.

The SOC has been calling to me for a while, but I was afraid it's too big. It's bigger than 1305 and that one is pretty much the biggest I want to go with a brush. I really don't like to use a larger brush. The SOC, though is super sweet and I may have to try one. I am very much convinced that Semogue makes some of the best brushes money can buy. I really like the natural wood treatment on the handles and I like the undyed bristles. Everything about the SOC looks good to me except for its size. I will live with these two wonderful brushes for a while and if a chance comes up I will snag a SOC. Even if I don't end up using it every day it will be jewel in my collection for sure. I am just getting to the point of too much equipment. For me, that is. I don't even begin to approach some of the collections I've seen here. I only have 3 boars and 4 badgers and I had a solid rotation of at least 3 brushes (Wee Scot, Ever-Ready 650PB restore with a TGN finest and Omega 10275 boar) that I absolutely loved until Semogues arrived. Now it looks like I may temporarily retire the Omega and Wee Scot and insert the two Semogues in their places. Just can't deal with that many pieces of equipment for the same task. I will try 1470 tomorrow. I lathered it up today and it didn't produce a huge amount of lather. Not as good as 1305. Looks like 1305 is a bit more pre-broken in as it has many more split hairs than the 1470. I do love the 1470's bristles. Very soft, yet sturdy. I can see how these brushes are so likeable.

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 05-22-2012, 04:05 PM
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I have the 1305 and 830, they may share the same knot but the extra 10% in the 830 is unbelievable. The 830 IS soooo much softer than the 1305. Hard to believe but true.

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 05-22-2012, 05:58 PM
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(05-22-2012, 04:05 PM)sunflake Wrote: I have the 1305 and 830, they may share the same knot but the extra 10% in the 830 is unbelievable. The 830 IS soooo much softer than the 1305. Hard to believe but true.

I hear you, but I do like a bit of "feel" to a brush. So far 1305 feels very nice to me and I am almost not wanting it to get softer as it breaks in. I think the extra 10% density is also good for lather production and retention. Having said that, I do not think 1305 lacks density. Also, the 1305 handle looks way more comfortable than 830. I still think that if I end up loving the 1305 in the long term, an 830 will show up in my den. It looks very sweet. So does the SOC. Semogue makes amazing brushes.

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 05-22-2012, 06:42 PM
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For the amazing value & complete affordability of Semogues you'd only be doing yourself a disservice to not add in the 830 as well as the SOC. Until then enjoy the couple you have. Semogues are like bunny rabbits; they tend to multiply quickly.

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 05-22-2012, 07:23 PM
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(05-22-2012, 06:42 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: For the amazing value & complete affordability of Semogues you'd only be doing yourself a disservice to not add in the 830 as well as the SOC. Until then enjoy the couple you have. Semogues are like bunny rabbits; they tend to multiply quickly.

Agree completely. I wonder why there isn't a brush with the 830 knot, but a 50mm loft. A 630 of sorts... For all the awesomeness of the 1305 (and 830, I am sure), i think I would prefer a shorter loft. Again, I only had one shave with my 1305, so I reserve the right to change my mind on this.

But I do agree that for the price of these wonderful brushes one can not do much better with just about any of them. SOC boar is under $30 shipped! I think my Wee Scot and Ever-Ready restore with TGN finest may become my only badgers. Boars really agree with me on so many levels! Especially Semogue boars.

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 06-11-2012, 06:17 PM
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Well, I've used my Semogues for a few weeks and they are breaking in nicely. I have actually stopped using them as of past few days and went back tot he two badgers I absolutely love (probably will get rid of others): Simpson Wee Scot and Ever-Ready 650PB I restored with a TGN finest fan knot. I got a little tired of breaking in procedures for the Semogues (soak for a while, use, hair dry). badgers are easier to use. No need to soak for a long time, they dry fast and if you know how much water you need for your lather you can do very well with badgers. Boars are a bit fussier during the break in process. I am also more and more leaning towards the Semogue 1470 in favor of 1305. This is based ONLY on the 1305's size. I just do not like brushes much larger than the 1470. Both brushes are fantastically good. I think I may end up letting 1305 go to someone who enjoys bigger brushes.

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 06-11-2012, 08:00 PM
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I agree about the shorter lofted boars. It's amazing how just a few more mm of loft changes the brush. I have none over 50mm and I really like that loft in a boar. I think I also prefer 75% tips, but I can use both and not complain one bit.

I tried one with a taller loft (90% tips), and it was a completely different feel that I didn't care for compared to a 50mm loft of 90% tips. Where the shorter lofts feel lively, this one brush felt dead and felt like it required a lot of effort to lather with it. That's the best I can describe it.

I'm not ready to give up any of my badgers though. I like them all, and I love the variety in my brush harem. They couldn't be more different from my boars though.

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 06-11-2012, 08:42 PM
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(05-22-2012, 05:58 PM)vferdman Wrote:
(05-22-2012, 04:05 PM)sunflake Wrote: I have the 1305 and 830, they may share the same knot but the extra 10% in the 830 is unbelievable. The 830 IS soooo much softer than the 1305. Hard to believe but true.

I hear you, but I do like a bit of "feel" to a brush. So far 1305 feels very nice to me and I am almost not wanting it to get softer as it breaks in. I think the extra 10% density is also good for lather production and retention. Having said that, I do not think 1305 lacks density. Also, the 1305 handle looks way more comfortable than 830. I still think that if I end up loving the 1305 in the long term, an 830 will show up in my den. It looks very sweet. So does the SOC. Semogue makes amazing brushes.

Can't argue with you here. The handle on the 1305 is great. But to clarify the 830 still has good "face feel" just a little softer but not by much. You need to get one for sure. You wont regret it. And yes it is a great lather producer. Heck I'm not sure you could make a mistake with any Semogue boar. Who would have thunk it. LOL

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 06-11-2012, 09:21 PM
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Excellent brushes! Congrats!

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 06-12-2012, 08:28 AM
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(06-11-2012, 08:00 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I agree about the shorter lofted boars. It's amazing how just a few more mm of loft changes the brush. I have none over 50mm and I really like that loft in a boar. I think I also prefer 75% tips, but I can use both and not complain one bit.

I tried one with a taller loft (90% tips), and it was a completely different feel that I didn't care for compared to a 50mm loft of 90% tips. Where the shorter lofts feel lively, this one brush felt dead and felt like it required a lot of effort to lather with it. That's the best I can describe it.

I'm not ready to give up any of my badgers though. I like them all, and I love the variety in my brush harem. They couldn't be more different from my boars though.

I think I would love the Semogue to create a 50mm equivalent of 1305/830 brush. I love that bristle and I think it would work pretty well in 50mm loft. I would buy one in a heartbeat. As it is, I may want to trade my 1305 for a 1438/6xx or some other 50mm brush I haven't tried yet.

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 06-12-2012, 12:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure the 1305 is just dyed 90% tops that they always use, isn't it?

I know the 610 is a 50mm loft made up of 90% tops. It isn't dyed however.

I have a 1438 and I really like it, maybe even more than the 610.

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 06-12-2012, 06:35 PM
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(06-12-2012, 12:38 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I'm pretty sure the 1305 is just dyed 90% tops that they always use, isn't it?

I know the 610 is a 50mm loft made up of 90% tops. It isn't dyed however.

I have a 1438 and I really like it, maybe even more than the 610.

According to VintageScent 1305 and 830 use Premium 90% tops. 1470 and 610 use best 90% tops (undied). 1438 and 620 use extra 75% tops. Three different grades of bristle at two different tops densities. This is more complicated than badger grades (and I thought those were confusing enough Smile). I am also getting to the point in my wet shaving conversion process where I want to settle into my shaving and not experiment so much any more. I've gotten to the point where I get very consistent good shaves from very different hardware and software. I think most of the stuff we use is really good and given good technique and practices shaving can be enjoyed with minimum fuss and trouble. I feel like I have more than enough brushes (all I need is one, really) and more than enough razors (all I need is one, really) and soaps (well, here variety may be nice, but again, 3 is plenty when they are the 3 I really love). Blades may also be subject to some variety, but really Feathers is all I need and since they are a bit pricey, Super-Max SP are almost as good at fraction of the cost. Astra SP is another good reliable inexpensive choice. So, there really is no reason for me to look for more brushes. I am very happy with Wee Scot, a TGN finest restore, Semogue 1470 and Omega 10275. 1305 is a lovely brush and I really love the handle and comfort of it, but I fight with the large knot every time I use it, so why bother? Same handle, same bristle, shorter loft and I would not hesitate to keep it.

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