08-31-2014, 07:39 PM
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  • Crag
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Hello Everyone!

What is the difference between the following Simpson Best Badger Brushes?

Harvard H3 19mm knot x 42mm loft - $117
Special S1 19mm knot x 40mm loft - $40
Berkeley 20mm knot x 42mm loft - $52
56 19mm x 41mm loft - $78

They all seem to be around the same knot and loft, so what's the difference between them that makes the pricing so different? Is it just the handle or is there something more to it?

Thanks everyone for helping!

Matt

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 09-01-2014, 01:32 AM
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Besides the handle and small differences in knot sizes, Simpsons brushes have big variations in hair quality (for the same hair denomination).
I have two chubby brushes in super and they couldn't have a more different hair between them.

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 09-01-2014, 04:59 AM
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  • Rufus
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Good question. Could it be the density of the knot? Although I have 9 Simpson brushes I don't have any of the listed ones; I haven't tried any of them either.

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 09-01-2014, 05:23 AM
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paging Ben, paging Ben74!

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 09-02-2014, 09:10 AM
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Those are some pretty big price gaps. I would have to imagine density would play a part in it. Also, most Simpsons specs listed on websites outside of TSS are usually nominal and more of a guideline than an exact number.

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 09-02-2014, 09:12 AM
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  • Crag
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I suppose that could be a factor. ..guess I'll have to get a couple and see...hahaha

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 09-02-2014, 01:44 PM
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I would suppose that it's a reflection of the handle verses loft ratio as well as density of the knots.

But honestly, I think a lot of the Simpson mystique is addressed through their nonsensical pricing values (with exceptions made for the densely knotted brushes.)

I have to confess that at some level, there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to brushes. Between the Harvard H3, the Special S1, and Berkeley assuming that the tips are about the same softness, you're really just picking out the preferred handle shape.

I have a Special S1. It's an OK brush and definitely not something that I would fret about if the airline lost my luggage. Of course, I wouldn't even risk a trip with my Chubbies.

I like my Simpson brushes, but I have to admit that part of the allure is the brand and labeling; my Savile Row brushes are just as enjoyable to use, although they don't have the long historical legacy associated with them.

-joedy

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 09-02-2014, 04:19 PM
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(09-01-2014, 05:23 AM)Mouser Wrote: paging Ben, paging Ben74!

We seek him here, we seek him there, we seek him everywhere...

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 09-03-2014, 08:26 AM
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Something rarely acknowledged & which I know to be true with at least one pretty esteemed CN hair exporter; within a given grade, strands that are longer are significantly more per kilo than shorter hair strand stock from the same grade of hair.

Can't explain the discrepancies above, but if there's two 20mm knots of equal density and bore depth and grade and one has much longer hair strands, it often costs more to acquire the hair in the one with the longer loft.

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 09-03-2014, 12:06 PM
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(09-03-2014, 08:26 AM)kwigibocity Wrote: Something rarely acknowledged & which I know to be true with at least one pretty esteemed CN hair exporter; within a given grade, strands that are longer are significantly more per kilo than shorter hair strand stock from the same grade of hair.

Can't explain the discrepancies above, but if there's two 20mm knots of equal density and bore depth and grade and one has much longer hair strands, it often costs more to acquire the hair in the one with the longer loft.

Hmm...I had a suspicion that would be the case, but it seems that the handle styles also have a fair bit to play where pricing is concerned. I had hoped to hear from Mark @ Simpson, but I think he feels it best to distance himself from these kinds of questions. I suppose it makes good business sense... All thing aside, I really like The Special and the H2 handles, so perhaps that's the way I'll go. I haven't really found a huge difference in any of the knots mentioned, yet...

I like the Simpson Badger hair better than any other 3-band on the market, so there you go...

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 09-03-2014, 12:56 PM
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Hi Matt,

Yes, I'm afraid pricing strategy & that side of the business is something we'd rather not divulge.

Not because there is anything sinister to it, but those sort of things affect the internal mechanics of the company.

I'm sure you understand.

Many thanks,

Mark

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 09-03-2014, 01:18 PM
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Yes I do. Thanks for the reply.

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 09-22-2014, 03:42 PM
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Matt,

I have all of those brushes, except my Harvard is a 2. I like all of them. I think with the exception of the Harvard, the price reflects the density of the knot. The Harvard's price, strictly IMHO, is the handle shape and relative rarity. It's a great handle but you pay a heck of a surcharge for the handle. The 56 is my favorite of the four but all are good performers.

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 09-22-2014, 06:08 PM
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  • Crag
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That's what I figured...I have a 57 Somerset and it's a tad big for me, but I think a smaller one would be great.

I may try a X1, if I can sell enough stuff off...

Matt

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