03-03-2012, 07:48 PM
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Thought it would be nice to have a thread going where talk about when we pay it forward. And by that I mean, times when we take some of our stockpile and pass it on to those just getting started in this hobby/lifestyle or those who we are trying to convert. I'm sure there are some great stories.

Today I got a care package from my parents of some stuff that I needed for class projects. Besides the stuff I needed were three 5.2oz tubes of CO Bigelow shave cream. With all the soap and cream that I have recently acquired I could never get to all of it. So on another forum I post on that has a lot of people just getting started, I offered it up for free(and will be sending it out on monday). Now its not as if I just gave away TOBS,GFT or T&H but I still think its a pretty good story.
Might not be as big or as cool as some of the other stories around here, but I thought it was pretty cool.

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 03-03-2012, 08:41 PM
  • MaxP
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A PIF is a great reflection of the giver.

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 03-03-2012, 10:04 PM
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Feels bad man.

Just kidding. It was a good gesture.

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 03-03-2012, 11:27 PM
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I feel the size of the token given doesn't matter, it's the thought behind it. Well done hudson!

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 03-03-2012, 11:42 PM
  • Tonality
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I have a friend who has been on the edge about getting into wetshaving. Well on Monday I will be sending him out this package to get his foot in the door. I know the razor isn't great, but I figure he can pick the straight that suits him better than I can. Note, the brush is an Ever Ready 100 that I personally restored to have a 22mm Silvertip knot to make the gift something more special than some cheap introductory products I had laying around.

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 03-04-2012, 12:03 AM
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Very nice set Tonality! He's lucky to have a friend like you! Smile I've so far set up my brother and a friend with a shaving kit set. They're not afflicted near the same manner as I am but they enjoy it indeed. Smile

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 03-04-2012, 08:22 AM
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We use the term PIF all the time around here, but what does it mean and where did it come from?

Pay it forward
The expression "pay it forward" is used to describe the concept of asking that a good turn be repaid by having it done to others instead. In contract law, typically there are two parties but there is the concept of third party beneficiaries. Pay it forward merely applies this contract law concept so that third party beneficiary be a stranger to the creditor. More specifically, the creditor offers the debtor the option of "paying" the debt forward by lending it to a third person instead of paying it back to the original creditor. Debt and payments can be monetary or by good deeds. In sociology, this concept is called "generalized reciprocity" or "generalized exchange". A related transaction, which starts with a gift instead of a loan, is alternative giving.

The concept was used as a key plot element in the denouement of a New Comedy play by Menander, Dyskolos (a title which can be translated as "The Grouch"). Dyskolos was a prizewinning play in ancient Athens in 317 BC; as the text of the play then disappeared and was not re-published until 1957, the concept had to be rediscovered.

The concept was rediscovered and described by Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Benjamin Webb dated April 22, 1784:

I do not pretend to give such a Sum; I only lend it to you. When you [...] meet with another honest Man in similar Distress, you must pay me by lending this Sum to him; enjoining him to discharge the Debt by a like operation, when he shall be able, and shall meet with another opportunity. I hope it may thus go thro' many hands, before it meets with a Knave that will stop its Progress. This is a trick of mine for doing a deal of good with a little money.

Ralph Waldo Emerson, in his 1841 essay Compensation[1], wrote: "In the order of nature we cannot render benefits to those from whom we receive them, or only seldom. But the benefit we receive must be rendered again, line for line, deed for deed, cent for cent, to somebody."

In 1916, Lily Hardy Hammond wrote, "You don't pay love back; you pay it forward."[2]
Woody Hayes (February 14, 1913 –March 12, 1987) was a college football coach who is best remembered for winning five national titles and 13 Big Ten championships in 28 years at The Ohio State University. He misquoted Emerson as having said "You can pay back only seldom. You can always pay forward, and you must pay line for line, deed for deed, and cent for cent." He also shortened the (mis)quotation into "You can never pay back; but you can always pay forward" and variants.

The 1929 novel, Magnificent Obsession, by Lloyd C. Douglass, also espoused this philosophy, in combination with the concept that good deeds should be performed in confidence.
An anonymous spokesman for Alcoholics Anonymous said in the Christian Science Monitor in 1944, "You can't pay anyone back for what has happened to you, so you try to find someone you can pay forward."[3]

Also in 1944, the first steps were taken in the development of what became Heifer Project, one of whose core strategies is "Passing on the Gift".

The term "pay it forward" was popularized by Robert A. Heinlein in his book Between Planets, published in 1951:

The banker reached into the folds of his gown, pulled out a single credit note. "But eat first — a full belly steadies the judgment. Do me the honor of accepting this as our welcome to the newcomer." His pride said no; his stomach said YES! Don took it and said, "Uh, thanks! That's awfully kind of you. I'll pay it back, first chance." "Instead, pay it forward to some other brother who needs it."

Heinlein both preached and practiced this philosophy; now the Heinlein Society, a humanitarian organization founded in his name, does so. Author Spider Robinson made repeated reference to the doctrine, attributing it to his spiritual mentor Heinlein.[4]

The mathematician Paul Erdős, in one of his visits to Harvard University, met a promising math student on the verge of expulsion for inability to pay his tuition. Erdős paid the young man's tuition in full. Years later, the man offered to return the entire amount to Erdős, but Erdős insisted that the man rather find another student in his situation, and give the tuition to him.[5]

In 2000, Catherine Ryan Hyde's novel Pay It Forward was published and adapted into a Warner Brothers film, Pay It Forward. In Ryan Hyde's book and movie it is described as an obligation to do three good deeds for others in repayment of a good deed that one receives. Such good deeds should be things that the other person cannot accomplish on their own. In this way, the need to help one another can spread exponentially through society, creating a social movement with the goal of making the world a better place.

The idea of the book has been championed in real life by the Pay It Forward Foundation. The Foundation focuses on bringing the idea of paying it forward to school age children, parents, and educators. The simple idea of doing good works for others to repay the good that has happened to you is one that can easily be conveyed to children and encourages them to be socially aware and take a role in making the world a better place.[citation needed] The main character of the book was a 12-year-old child, thus giving other children someone they can relate to.

In 2004, a small group of University of Minnesota students, wanting to find a way for students to do ordinary things to improve their world, created the student group Students Today Leaders Forever (STLF). The main event for STLF is the annual "Pay It Forward" tour, where college students spend their Spring Break on a bus trip to several cities doing community service projects, with the idea that those served will "pay it forward" and benefit their communities.[6]

In October 2005, Syracuse University's Residence Hall Association began a Pay It Forward campaign on campus. It spread on campus rapidly, and was noted for entering mainstream Syracuse society as a result.[citation needed] Many other schools have begun such campaigns.

On October 26, 2006 Oprah gave her audience a challenge to Pay it Forward, giving 300 audience guests $1,000 USD on a debit card and a camcorder to record the acts of kindness they did. The rules of the challenge were very specific, the money had to be spent within one week and could only be used to help charitable organizations or an individual person but not a relative.

In April 2009 Pay it Forward made its way to Craigslist and Youtube.[7] A simple Craigslist posting said "I can help you with groceries, give you a ride if you need one..."
One weekend of time, a car ride, and an idea to pay it forward in the real world, was featured in various media outlets.[8]

Now, I believe in the old phrase KISS (keep it simple stupid). So for the sake of this article we are talking about wet shaving. If you have some extra blades, soaps, creams, razors, or AFTER SHAVE and you know of someone in need, PAY IT FORWARD.

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 03-04-2012, 06:39 PM
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Good Job, Hudson. PIF reflects well on you. The fact that you did it is as important as the size of the gift.

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 03-04-2012, 07:28 PM
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Informative posts. Thanks.

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 03-05-2012, 09:15 AM
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thats a greate gesture hudson, my bathroom counter is usually always a topic of interest to my visitors since it holds a vast supply of wet shaving supplies, so i set up little shaving bundles containing,
lord razor,
tweezerman brush,
col conk soap,
derby blades,
these bundles are inexpensive and make great gifts for friends and family,

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