09-26-2014, 06:42 PM
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My Mühle R41 (newer model) is a great razor that gives an amazing shave. Yes, I have to be much more cautious than I do with my Feather AS-D2 or even my Merkur 37C. I don't mind being cautious; indeed it reminds me Dodgy in no uncertain terms to prep well, use my slickest soap, and observe the growth direction. However my most comfortable shaves with it are with 2+ days of growth. Now that's hard for me since I am a daily shaver. To keep the R41 in my rotation, I have to plan a non-shaving day. Otherwise, it's not my most comfortable shave. Even the slightest miscue will repay me with a nick. And to think that I would like to eventually shave with a straightedge Confused
I see so many of my Nook colleagues using the Cobra, the Mongoose, not to mention the plethora of straightedge shavers. I have come to the conclusion that it's my baby-soft skin Rolleyes that is the issue. Do you all think the R41 is intended solely for the tough beards and skin? Or must I resign myself to sit out a day before using it?
Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate your thoughts.

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 09-26-2014, 07:32 PM
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I can use my R41 every day if I wont with no problem. I use very sharp blades such as a Feather and good prep work does the trick. But using this very aggressive razor you must go slow and not try to zip through shaving. But even being very careful nicks and cuts do happen and occasionally irritation sets in. As far as using a Cobra it's a piece of cake. Next up for me will be the Mongoose and I am really looking forward to it.

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 09-26-2014, 08:03 PM
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There was a time when I used the '11 R41 for a daily shaver. But something has changed for me. I'm definitely taking better care of my facial skin and I suspect that may be the cause. But I'm still not sure. I suspect my skin has gotten softer and I have been thinking that for some time now. My technique hasn't changed. You might be on to something.

You mentioned a straight razor for yourself, and questioned it. OK, I haven't used a straight and probably never will for physical limitations, but I use a Rolls that uses a wedge blade which is a straight razor segment. The shave is so unlike a disposable blade shave it can't be compared. I have never gotten cut with the Rolls unless I did something really stupid. Like slightly cutting the base of my nose. I felt it, it bled, but stopped so fast it almost as though it hadn't been cut. If the blade will chop stubble it's sharp enough to cut skin. Stupid mistake on my part. Even tough skin would have been cut. I'm trying to write that you shouldn't think if you can't handle the R41 as a daily shaver that that somehow compares to a straight. The only thing they have in common is the word razor. The Rolls has never cut me without me daring it to, and as I wrote I think my skin has changed to a softer version of what I had just a few years ago.

I wrote that not to try to convince you to use a straight.

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 09-26-2014, 08:19 PM
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Primo,
Personally, the R41 is for those folks with tougher skin. I could never use it as a daily razor as it just didn't work out for me. It was such a rough shaver, no matter how careful I was with it. I tried the 2011 version twice and the 2013 version, once, all on different occasions. Biggrin
If you are doing 3 passes daily, I just thing it is too much blade exposure, but YMMV, and it is great to see all of the folks who love this razor! Smile

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 09-27-2014, 04:02 AM
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Just came off a week long trip where I used a 2013 Muhle R41/feather blade as a daily shaver. That worked our well with no major skin problems. Can't say if I have sensitive skin or not as it is the only skin I have ever had.

My daily shaver at home is a straight and as with a straight angle and next to no pressure are critical with the Muhle R41. So is a nice slick lather and taking your time. Post shave a good balm such as Nivea Extreme Comfort should help too. If you can shave with a Muhle R41 you should be able to shave with a straight with some practice.

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 09-27-2014, 04:16 AM
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Guys,
I don't even consider a complete 3 pass shave with the R41. I will go against the grain on the tougher parts of my skin. It's funny, there are sections of my beard that I could shave daily with the R41, chin, left jaw, but NOT right jaw, what's up with that Huh And like Brian mentioned, since I have been wet shaving, my skin care has improved dramatically, ergo softer. I was always under the impression that the more you shaved the tougher your skin became. Not so, in my case. Who have thought that at 58, my beard grows faster and my face has grown softer...Angel

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 09-27-2014, 08:56 AM
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(09-26-2014, 06:42 PM)primotenore Wrote: To keep the R41 in my rotation, I have to plan a non-shaving day... Do you all think the R41 is intended solely for the tough beards and skin? Or must I resign myself to sit out a day before using it?

If I had to, I could use the R41 daily, but I'd simply have to be more careful. I don't think it's the sensitivity of one's skin as much as it is one's technique. I have a Muhle R89 (identical to the Edwin Jagger DE89) that personally, I use only for shaving a one-day growth; I wouldn't even consider using it for a 2+ day-growth (been there, done that - it's just annoying). It's also an excellent design, but after using the R41 for a while, it feels like a butter knife in comparison. Not that the R89 doesn't work very effectively, you understand; that's why I continue to use it. It's just that there seems to be no way whatsoever that you could actually nick yourself with an R89 - like you could shave blindfolded. For me, especially as I have a course, heavy growth, the R41 is best for a 2+ day-growth, which is often because I really don't frequently shave more than 2-3 times a week. For those occasions, the R41 seems unsurpassed... it's so close, sometimes I still feel like I've just shaved even into the next day. And currently I'm using a straight razor weekly (on Saturdays) since I'm still developing my technique with one and it takes a lot more time. Basically, I don't think it's about the toughness of your beard, but about the amount of time and carefulness you're prepared to put into your technique.

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 09-28-2014, 04:04 AM
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(09-27-2014, 08:56 AM)wjosephsimmons Wrote:
(09-26-2014, 06:42 PM)primotenore Wrote: To keep the R41 in my rotation, I have to plan a non-shaving day... Do you all think the R41 is intended solely for the tough beards and skin? Or must I resign myself to sit out a day before using it?

If I had to, I could use the R41 daily, but I'd simply have to be more careful. I don't think it's the sensitivity of one's skin as much as it is one's technique. I have a Muhle R89 (identical to the Edwin Jagger DE89) that personally, I use only for shaving a one-day growth; I wouldn't even consider using it for a 2+ day-growth (been there, done that - it's just annoying). It's also an excellent design, but after using the R41 for a while, it feels like a butter knife in comparison. Not that the R89 doesn't work very effectively, you understand; that's why I continue to use it. It's just that there seems to be no way whatsoever that you could actually nick yourself with an R89 - like you could shave blindfolded. For me, especially as I have a course, heavy growth, the R41 is best for a 2+ day-growth, which is often because I really don't frequently shave more than 2-3 times a week. For those occasions, the R41 seems unsurpassed... it's so close, sometimes I still feel like I've just shaved even into the next day. And currently I'm using a straight razor weekly (on Saturdays) since I'm still developing my technique with one and it takes a lot more time. Basically, I don't think it's about the toughness of your beard, but about the amount of time and carefulness you're prepared to put into your technique.

I am pretty confident my technique is down. I don't get cuts and nicks with it. Indeed, as I stated at the beginning, this is the razor that solidified my technique. It's simply how it feels against the skin. Anyway, I like the design and there's no doubt that it produces a great shave.

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 09-28-2014, 04:29 AM
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(09-28-2014, 04:04 AM)primotenore Wrote: I am pretty confident my technique is down. I don't get cuts and nicks with it. Indeed, as I stated at the beginning, this is the razor that solidified my technique. It's simply how it feels against the skin. Anyway, I like the design and there's no doubt that it produces a great shave.

Have you tried a variety of different blades? I know for me, there are some blades that in the R41 will leave my face feeling a little tender (Gillette 7 O’Clock "Green" Super Stainless, and Astra Superior Platinum, in particular), while others will not (eg. Polsilver Super Iridium; Personna Platinum "Red" aka "Israeli"; Kai Double Edge). I attribute it more to the blade than the razor, however.

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 09-28-2014, 04:59 AM
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(09-28-2014, 04:29 AM)wjosephsimmons Wrote:
(09-28-2014, 04:04 AM)primotenore Wrote: I am pretty confident my technique is down. I don't get cuts and nicks with it. Indeed, as I stated at the beginning, this is the razor that solidified my technique. It's simply how it feels against the skin. Anyway, I like the design and there's no doubt that it produces a great shave.

Have you tried a variety of different blades? I know for me, there are some blades that in the R41 will leave my face feeling a little tender (Gillette 7 O’Clock "Green" Super Stainless, and Astra Superior Platinum, in particular), while others will not (eg. Polsilver Super Iridium; Personna Platinum "Red" aka "Israeli"; Kai Double Edge). I attribute it more to the blade than the razor, however.

I haven't and I should. I have so many Feather blades that I want to get through them and they give me a great shave (normally), but you make a good point.
Rather than starting a new thread, what's your (anyone's) recommended blade for the R41?

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 09-28-2014, 05:15 AM
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(09-28-2014, 04:59 AM)primotenore Wrote: I haven't and I should. I have so many Feather blades that I want to get through them and they give me a great shave (normally), but you make a good point.
Rather than starting a new thread, what's your (anyone's) recommended blade for the R41?

I haven't tried the Feathers yet, but I'm working my way through two different variety sampler packs, and I'm saving them for last! So far, the best I've encountered are the Polsilver Super Iridium and the Personna Platinum "Israeli Reds" - extremely close results, but very smooth in performance, and they don't leave my face feeling the slightest bit sore. This is a subject of great disparity of opinion, however, so I would encourage you to try a sampler pack, too. Smile

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 09-28-2014, 05:38 AM
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I use R41 daily and works fine, obviously with less passages, because even my tough skin can't resist the R41.

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 09-28-2014, 07:24 AM
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(09-28-2014, 05:38 AM)Cardoso Wrote: I use R41 daily and works fine, obviously with less passages, because even my tough skin can't resist the R41.

What blade do you prefer?

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 09-28-2014, 08:24 AM
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I have the 2011 and the 2013 version
I am an Open comb lover,i like aggressive heads but i could never use a R41 as a daily razor.
For 3 days beard is excellent but not for every day.

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 09-28-2014, 09:03 AM
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Just shaved with my R41, new Dorco blade (the only other blade in my house beside feather and Astra), second day in a row. AOS Tallow soap and my friends, a DFS, maybe even slightly better. Thumbup Took it slow, didn't shave over non-protected skin.
I am headed out of town for 10 weeks and I am really tempted to take this razor only and leave my others at home Scared I'll either become a real pro or my skin will look like...Firedevil

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 09-28-2014, 10:34 AM
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(09-28-2014, 07:24 AM)primotenore Wrote:
(09-28-2014, 05:38 AM)Cardoso Wrote: I use R41 daily and works fine, obviously with less passages, because even my tough skin can't resist the R41.



What blade do you prefer?

Lord platinum and Derby.

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 09-29-2014, 06:56 PM
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(09-27-2014, 04:16 AM)primotenore Wrote: Guys,
I don't even consider a complete 3 pass shave with the R41. I will go against the grain on the tougher parts of my skin. It's funny, there are sections of my beard that I could shave daily with the R41, chin, left jaw, but NOT right jaw, what's up with that Huh And like Brian mentioned, since I have been wet shaving, my skin care has improved dramatically, ergo softer. I was always under the impression that the more you shaved the tougher your skin became. Not so, in my case. Who have thought that at 58, my beard grows faster and my face has grown softer...Angel

Primo, we all have unique facial characteristics and I have to agree with my skin feeling smoother and looking more youthful! Biggrin
Enjoy your trip.

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 09-30-2014, 08:33 AM
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Thanks Celestino. It's a work trip Undecided

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 10-04-2014, 07:22 AM
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I have noticed that every time I skip a day of shaving, the next shave is outstanding. It doesn't matter which razor I use, a shave of 2 days growth almost invariably results in a no irritation, BBS shave. I suspect this is because of the exfoliation that happens with shaving - both the scrubbing action of the brush and the "scrape" of the razor. Take a day off, and your skin has time to regenerate. This is why I think a razor like the R41, which has a lot of blade exposure, becomes difficult to shave with on a daily basis. I know skin care specialists recommend against using exfoliating products on your face every day.

I have gravitated toward several DE razors that shave efficiently, but have less blade exposure. What I notice with these razors is a very narrow effective cutting angle. A little too steep or too shallow, and they don't shave. I can use this type of razor daily, and my face feels better for it. I'll often come back to these razors when my face needs a break from something like the R41. I'm convinced it all has to do with exfoliation.


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 10-05-2014, 09:27 AM
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one better know what they are doing and a full blown face prep, personally i would use it only on heavy beard days , i normally use the EJ DE 89

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