10-03-2014, 05:06 PM
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On another forum I came across a rather confident assertion that Synergy Soaps are of the melt-and-pour variety. Apparently, this is manifested in the hard and smooth texture of the puck.

Have any of youse guys also come to this conclusion? Could there be other possibilities to explain this other than triple-milling?

Thanks

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 10-03-2014, 07:45 PM
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Brother I am almost certain Douglas has said that it is not melt and pour. For some reason triple mill sounds about right! Take this for whats its worth though because I personally dont make the soaps and only Mr Smythe knows for sure. That being said I am almost certain he hand crafts the soaps from scratch!

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 10-03-2014, 07:52 PM
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Douglas has said many times that his soap is a hot process soap. It is not melt & pour. I've spoken with him personally on this matter as I once thought it was m&p. From his explanation to me, which was too technical for me to be able to recreate here, it is clear that his soap is hand crafted from scratch. He does not use a m&p base.

http://teachsoap.com/2012/03/06/soap-making-methods/

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 10-03-2014, 08:15 PM
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(10-03-2014, 07:45 PM)Ron Page Wrote: Brother I am almost certain Douglas has said that it is not melt and pour. For some reason triple mill sounds about right! Take this for whats its worth though because I personally dont make the soaps and only Mr Smythe knows for sure. That being said I am almost certain he hand crafts the soaps from scratch!

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They are definitely not triple milled soaps.

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 10-03-2014, 08:19 PM
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The ingredient list does not look like melt and pour. If he uses sodium hydroxide, which he does, it can make a soap hard. Plus, he says on his website they are hot processed soaps. I have never used them or even seen them, but just looking at the ingredient list, and spending about 2 minutes looking at his stuff, they are not M&P. I would highly doubt that he triple mills his soaps though. To truly triple mill a soap, you would need a very large and very expensive piece of machinery. Triple milled is used very loosely by a lot of people. You may hear people refer to hand milling or batching which is the process used for melt and pour soap makers. They "rebatch" or "hand mill" a glycerin base by adding ingredients to the soap base. I don't know of any artisan soap maker that triple mills soap (outside of hand milling a melt and pour glycerin base.)

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 10-03-2014, 08:44 PM
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(10-03-2014, 08:15 PM)bullgoose Wrote:
(10-03-2014, 07:45 PM)Ron Page Wrote: Brother I am almost certain Douglas has said that it is not melt and pour. For some reason triple mill sounds about right! Take this for whats its worth though because I personally dont make the soaps and only Mr Smythe knows for sure. That being said I am almost certain he hand crafts the soaps from scratch!

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They are definitely not triple milled soaps.

What Phil said. No comment about HTAGM soaps since I don't recall them looking like M&P, and honestly don't even remember what they look like.

But regarding triple milling; milling soap basically takes out all the water from the soap and then presses it into shape using molds. During this process glycerin is normally removed, but can be put back in. (at least that's what most of the literature about milling soap says)

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 10-04-2014, 12:44 AM
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I'm not aware of any artisan made soap being triple milled, and would be skeptical of claims to the contrary.

I've never used HTGAM/Synergy products and can't say what process these soaps are made by ... not triple milled though.

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 10-04-2014, 03:11 AM
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The only artisan soap maker that I can think of that claims triple milling is Green Mountain Soaps.

http://www.gmsoap.com/?mainID=3&subID=11...pe=default

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 10-04-2014, 03:32 AM
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(10-04-2014, 12:44 AM)Agravic Wrote: I'm not aware of any artisan made soap being triple milled, and would be skeptical of claims to the contrary.

I've never used HTGAM/Synergy products and can't say what process these soaps are made by ... not triple milled though.

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Don't know of any artisan made soaps that are triple milled. Neither do they need to be, to perform fantastically.

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 10-04-2014, 04:56 AM
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The article was strange to me, the writer is the only person I've ever heard claim that Synergy soaps are hard to lather.
He said he liked the soap and then tore it down, sounds like an axe grinding IMHO

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 10-04-2014, 06:45 AM
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(10-04-2014, 04:56 AM)tdmsu Wrote: The article was strange to me, the writer is the only person I've ever heard claim that Synergy soaps are hard to lather.
He said he liked the soap and then tore it down, sounds like an axe grinding IMHO

I felt the same, and yet when I suggested he ask Douglas directly I was warned in a PM to leave it alone or go away for good.

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 10-04-2014, 07:06 AM
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(10-04-2014, 06:45 AM)glaze3 Wrote:
(10-04-2014, 04:56 AM)tdmsu Wrote: The article was strange to me, the writer is the only person I've ever heard claim that Synergy soaps are hard to lather.
He said he liked the soap and then tore it down, sounds like an axe grinding IMHO

I felt the same, and yet when I suggested he ask Douglas directly I was warned in a PM to leave it alone or go away for good.

I didn't bother responding over there. The mods seem to have different rules for vendors they don't like. I usually only go there for the BST, but I'm thinking it's not worth it.

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 10-04-2014, 07:19 AM
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Friendly reminder folks ... gentlemanly discussion in observation of TSN forum rules as listed, and NO disparaging remarks about other forums.

Thank you.

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 10-04-2014, 08:47 AM
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My apologies, Ravi. If I broke any rules it was not my intent

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 10-04-2014, 08:58 AM
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(10-04-2014, 08:47 AM)glaze3 Wrote: My apologies, Ravi. If I broke any rules it was not my intent

No worries. No rules were broken.

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 10-04-2014, 09:52 AM
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Sorry I did not mean to trash anyone.

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 10-04-2014, 09:59 AM
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I think WSO soaps were tripled milled or hand milled.

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 10-04-2014, 10:04 AM
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(10-04-2014, 09:59 AM)Starkicker Wrote: I think WSO soaps were tripled milled or hand milled.

Hand milled, which I understand is a misleading term anyways.

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 10-05-2014, 03:50 AM
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Lots of discussion about this on BB.

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 10-05-2014, 04:03 AM
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I have asked Mr Smythe myself, after wondering whether these are melt and pour myself.

His soaps are hot process, similar to many other artisan soaps out there. He has modified the process, which results in somewhat transparent soaps. This by itself is very uncommon for hot or cold process soaps. I know because I am a soaper and have made numerous batches of shaving soap.

The new Synergy 2.0 pucks look like common hot process soaps.

Also, I find the whole discussion in B&B slightly pointless. Don't like their marketing or their soap? Then don't buy.

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