10-10-2014, 12:13 PM
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It appears to me that artisans greatly favor making shaving soaps than shaving creams. Perhaps, it easier for a soap-maker to make shaving soaps since they are more set up for that purpose.

But, does anyone know if creams are harder to make than soaps? It would appear to be counter-intuitive if that is the case, but what da' heck do I know?

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 10-10-2014, 12:41 PM
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It is more time consuming to make a "proper" cream soap for shaving. It also takes a few pieces of equipment most artisan soap makers don't have or have access to. Some cream soaps on the market are really nothing more than shaving soaps with extra oils/water added to them to thin them out and then "whipped" to achieve a cream like consistency.

Making what I consider a true cream soap involves a different formula and a long cure time called a "rot" of at least 3 months. There is some risk involved as during this long cure time, any number of unforeseen things can happen, environmental effects/stresses, accidental contamination, etc that can ruin an entire batch or batches.

I have been working on a true cream shaving soap for the past 8 or 9 months. I actually sent out a number of samples to a test panel here on the Nook a few months back. The feedback was mostly very positive.

I am not sure if I will be bringing a cream shaving soap to the market. I would like to and have developed a good formula/recipe, but I'm at the stage of carefully studying the risk/reward side of things.

So yes, it is much easier to make a shaving soap. It is less risky with lower equipment start-up costs not to mention you don't have money tied up in resources for 3-4 months while waiting for the cream to cure.

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 10-10-2014, 01:02 PM
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Plus, I think wetshavers prefer soaps, but I was curious. Thank you for such a detailed response.

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 10-10-2014, 01:47 PM
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Everything CRS said, plus - every step you use for making hot process soap, you also have to use to make a cream. Then you do more stuff, including superfats, rotting, etc.

So definitely "harder."

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 10-10-2014, 02:11 PM
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That was a very good question. And easily answered by our experts.

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 10-10-2014, 02:59 PM
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There isn't anything like rubbing a puck of soap on your face and having a good face-lather!Biggrin

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 10-10-2014, 08:03 PM
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What CRS said. It's just not worth the effort without owning industrial soap making machinery.

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 10-11-2014, 11:52 AM
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It's pretty safe to say that creams aren't any "better" than soaps. So why do people (not artisans) go through the trouble to make them?

Is there any advantage to them?

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 10-11-2014, 04:48 PM
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I haven't experienced any real significant differences between a superior cream vs a superior soap. They both produce a very nice lather and moisturize my skin properly. It's just my opinion that creams are easier to lather and, to me, they seem to hold a scent a bit better. Could be the cream manufacturers cater to the shavers who want to create a nice smelling lather with relative ease and less "elbow grease".......whilst the soaps are more attractive to the "purists" who often feel that the added effort is more rewarding.

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 10-11-2014, 06:56 PM
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(10-11-2014, 11:52 AM)Banes_Pubes Wrote: It's pretty safe to say that creams aren't any "better" than soaps. So why do people (not artisans) go through the trouble to make them?

Is there any advantage to them?

Creams are generally easier to lather and load. Especially when compared to triple milled (dehydrated (my description)) soap.

Compared to, say, MDC, not a big difference, but loading is faster since you just squirt a bit into the brush.

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 10-12-2014, 07:22 AM
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(10-11-2014, 11:52 AM)Banes_Pubes Wrote: It's pretty safe to say that creams aren't any "better" than soaps. So why do people (not artisans) go through the trouble to make them?

Is there any advantage to them?

In my opinion, there is no advantage to creams over soaps. In fact, I'd argue the opposite: I find soaps to be generally better than creams.

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 10-12-2014, 08:03 AM
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There's a brazilian artisan who is doing great creams, it's called Ingá Saboaria Artesanal (Ingá Artisan Soapmaking).

People all over the portuguese speaking forum, barbearclassico.com, are praising his work. People are saying it's better than TOBS and miles ahead of Proraso.

http://www.barbearclassico.com/index.php?topic=6581.0

http://www.elo7.com.br/ingasaboaria

http://www.ingasaboaria.com.br/cremes-de...r-ct-6c4bf

You can use Google Translate, but at the Barbear Clássico forum you can write in English, and we'll reply in English. Several of the Portuguese speaking members are here too. BiggrinBiggrin

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 10-12-2014, 08:39 AM
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Quote:In my opinion, there is no advantage to creams over soaps. In fact, I'd argue the opposite: I find soaps to be generally better than creams.

That's what I've always found too. Yes they're easier to load like WSP said but really I find soaps to outperform creams

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 10-12-2014, 11:28 AM
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(10-10-2014, 01:02 PM)Teddyboy Wrote: Plus, I think wetshavers prefer soaps, but I was curious. Thank you for such a detailed response.

I personally prefer creams over soaps.

The only reason why is creams are easier to lather with my very hard water.

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 10-12-2014, 01:26 PM
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(10-12-2014, 07:22 AM)kingfisher Wrote:
(10-11-2014, 11:52 AM)Banes_Pubes Wrote: It's pretty safe to say that creams aren't any "better" than soaps. So why do people (not artisans) go through the trouble to make them?

Is there any advantage to them?

In my opinion, there is no advantage to creams over soaps. In fact, I'd argue the opposite: I find soaps to be generally better than creams.

In many cases, a brand's cream is better than their soap. GFT being a good example. DRH is arguable. TOBS cream is superb. Edwin Jagger's cream is better. All IMO of course.

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 10-12-2014, 03:46 PM
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Creams for me too.

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 10-13-2014, 11:29 AM
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(10-12-2014, 11:28 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote: I personally prefer creams over soaps.

The only reason why is creams are easier to lather with my very hard water.

Andrew, do you want to send me a sample of your water so that I can test it out?! Biggrin

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 10-13-2014, 02:46 PM
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Well if that is all it takes ,do what I did & install a water system to accommodate the shave Biggrin
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 10-13-2014, 04:00 PM
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Wow! Nice set-up! You should be able to tackle any soap with that system! Biggrin

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 10-13-2014, 08:19 PM
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(10-13-2014, 11:29 AM)celestino Wrote:
(10-12-2014, 11:28 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote: I personally prefer creams over soaps.

The only reason why is creams are easier to lather with my very hard water.

Andrew, do you want to send me a sample of your water so that I can test it out?! Biggrin

you could cross the border and find very hard water that is somewhat similar to mine. Tongue

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