10-16-2014, 11:57 PM
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  • Karlo
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So yesterday, a pair of parcels cleared customs and this is what arrived.

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I test lathered the brushes last night with Cella and let them dry. This morning, I chose to use the STF.

I asked Vey to set the knot at 55mm versus the factory 60mm loft that Mühle (and I think EJ) uses. The pressure required to coax the knot to splay isn't much at all, at least compared to my 21mm Mühle.

Loading the brush is easy. I dipped the knot in water, gave it two shakes and deliberately tried a twenty second load of Cella to see what kind of lather I'd get. (I usually load my badger brushes for 45 to 60 seconds.)

Building the lather on my face, I enjoyed the extremely soft tips. The lather formed in almost no time at all, and I only had to dip the tips in water twice to get the glisten and sheen that I was waiting for. For the succeeding pass, a quick dip of the tips rejuvenated the soap in the knot and released the lather quickly.

For a large knot (by my preferences) it felt smaller on the face. My Semogue 2013 measures 24/48 but its splay makes it feel two or three sizes larger. This one feels like my Duke 2 (a favorite of mine in terms of size and feel) and I'm glad that I went with the 25mm instead of the 23mm knot.

The handle is an AS3M pattern in an acrylic that I chose from Vey's current stock. At 60mm long, it is the largest handle I've owned and is the most comfortable I've used. (This is only the 8th brush I've had, so take this with a grain of salt.)

I did encounter a bit of shedding. I know this is unusual for a synthetic but i think these were fibers that may have been dislodged from the adhesive during the setting process. I lost maybe three strands during loading and another four while face lathering.

All in all, I'm happy with how this brush performs. I'd like to thank Nookers agravic, gdcarrington, Teiste and many others who encouraged me to try a larger synthetic knot. I now know why they think very highly of these "big" STF brushes.

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 10-17-2014, 01:56 AM
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  • BobH
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Very nice looking handle. Your experience with the STF knot set to 55mm mirrors mine with the same knot set to 54mm. Glad to see you are as happy with yours as I am with mine. They really are good performers for face lathering when reset to a lower loft.

Bob

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 10-17-2014, 01:57 AM
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I am anxious to hear your results of using the brush on the right.

It looks like bamboo slivers and appears lethal.

Take care.
Mickey

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 10-17-2014, 02:03 AM
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  • Karlo
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(10-17-2014, 01:57 AM)mickeyobe Wrote: I am anxious to hear your results of using the brush on the right.

It looks like bamboo slivers and appears lethal.

Take care.
Mickey
Mickey,

I thought it might go well with a Mühle R41 Twist and a Feather Hi Stainless. Smile

It belongs to the lady of the house. She collects tea implements.

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 10-17-2014, 04:53 AM
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That' s a beautiful RV. A 55mm loft is definitely the way to go with that knot.

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 10-17-2014, 05:17 AM
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  • Giorgio
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Congrats on the beautiful brushes Karlo! Rudy is a very talented artisan and that clearly shows in your examples. I hope you continue to enjoy them for many years Biggrin

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 10-17-2014, 06:36 AM
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  • Karlo
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(10-17-2014, 05:17 AM)Giorgio Wrote: Congrats on the beautiful brushes Karlo! Rudy is a very talented artisan and that clearly shows in your examples. I hope you continue to enjoy them for many years
Thanks Giorgio! I'm equally excited to try the Thäter. I hear it has soft tips but good enough backbone for soap. Smile

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 10-17-2014, 06:39 AM
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  • evnpar
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Very nice, Karlo. I'm a big fan of that knot, especially in an Edwin Jagger XL handle. Enjoy.

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 10-17-2014, 06:48 AM
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That's a beautiful brush!
You guys are killing me... I now must try a larger synthetic. I like my Muhle 21mm and Plisson cade a lot, but ofter wish there was "more".
I think I'll try an EJ XL and see what happens.

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 10-17-2014, 07:08 AM
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  • Karlo
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(10-17-2014, 06:48 AM)number six Wrote: That's a beautiful brush!
You guys are killing me... I now must try a larger synthetic. I like my Muhle 21mm and Plisson cade a lot, but ofter wish there was "more".
I think I'll try an EJ XL and see what happens.
If it helps, the brush I got only cost $3 more than a factory 23mm STF from Mühle. Don't quite know what EJ prices are like though.

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 10-17-2014, 07:11 AM
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  • Giorgio
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(10-17-2014, 06:36 AM)Karlo Wrote: Thanks Giorgio! I'm equally excited to try the Thäter. I hear it has soft tips but good enough backbone for soap. Smile

I have the same Thäter...it is simply a fantastic brush. I almost always use it on soaps. The tips on mine have developed "hooked" tips and the softness coupled with a velvety sensation makes using it such a lovely experience Smile

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 10-17-2014, 07:55 AM
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Lovely brushes and congratulations! Smile

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 10-23-2014, 12:56 AM
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  • Lando
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Anyone go lower with this knot? Would 50 mm be too low for this knot? I prefer face lathering and like a knot with some backbone

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 10-23-2014, 07:57 AM
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  • Karlo
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Lando,

I face lather with this one and it has all the backbone I could want. The knot doesn't really bloom so my Duke 2 is actually wider at the top of its loft compared to the STF.

I've heard from Rudy Vey that some of his clients have gone as low as 52mm and are happy. You might want to contact Rudy directly and ask him about loft experiences with STF knots.

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 10-23-2014, 09:15 AM
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(10-23-2014, 12:56 AM)Lando Wrote: Anyone go lower with this knot? Would 50 mm be too low for this knot? I prefer face lathering and like a knot with some backbone

Bill, you'll most likely find that even 50mm is a bit too low for this knot. 53-56mm is a perfect loft for it, but if you really want great backbone, then go for the 50mm, but I wouldn't suggest it as it will be a bit uncomfortable and you'll just get too much 'spring' with the knot.
Good luck.

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 10-24-2014, 05:44 AM
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Fantastic photo. Great looking brush. Very nice review. Thanks.

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 10-24-2014, 06:59 AM
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  • Lando
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Thanks for the responses fellas. 54 mm sounds about right then.

How are you liking the brush after a few uses Karlo?

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 10-24-2014, 09:32 AM
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  • Karlo
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I'm loving it, Bill!

The splay is super controllable and the tips are really really soft. If I use just the tips to build lather on my face, the knot retains its shape like a Duke 2 or a Semogue 620. If I push in just a touch, the knot opens up a bit and behaves like a 24mm Silvertip in terms of face feel.

It's the closest approximation to a have-it-your-way brush, at least based on my limited experience. Given its performance and price, I'm glad I didn't go with the factory Mühle 23mm STF.

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