12-12-2014, 07:19 PM
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Hi All,
The current Shavemac I own is:

22 x 48 in Fan, D-01 2-band

I really like the backbone and face feel, but it does hog the lather more than I like, so I often end up needing to squeeze the brush during lathering/face painting/etc.
I have found it to be particularly great with coaps, for whatever reason, but that isn't the point of this thread.

I am wondering what parameters you would change (from above) in order to minimize the lather-hogging, but keep the backbone/face feel as close to current as possible.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. I want to stick with Shavemac for this brush being spec'd, thanks.

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 12-12-2014, 08:33 PM
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You might want to look at their new Silvertip 2-band hair. I have not experienced this hair type (yet), but I believe it is less dense than the D01 2-band which will help with it releasing some of that lather. A higher loft would also help with that. Good luck Biggrin

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 12-12-2014, 09:02 PM
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(12-12-2014, 08:33 PM)Giorgio Wrote: You might want to look at their new Silvertip 2-band hair. I have not experienced this hair type (yet), but I believe it is less dense than the D01 2-band which will help with it releasing some of that lather. A higher loft would also help with that. Good luck Biggrin

+1 in a 23 x 50mm or a 24 x 52mm fan knot. Good luck.

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 12-15-2014, 04:21 AM
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I only own D01 2-bands with the old hair.
The best of them is the Colonia D01 2-band fan. It has the dimensions 24x52. A wonderful brush and perfect for face lathering.
But unfortunately I don't know how the new 2-band hair feels.

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 12-15-2014, 04:39 AM
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In my experience lather flow through is primarily a function of knot density and only secondarly loft height and knot shape.

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 12-18-2014, 10:25 AM
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I don't own a D01 but I've been using their new non-D01 2-band silvertip for the past week and a half. Bulb shape knot at 24/48.

It's a bit of a hog (not like a semogue SOC but certainly more than a shavemac Finest or Simpson Best). I suspect it might improve after a dozen uses. I'll let you know after another seven shaves.

I'll say this though : the tips are Thäter soft but it retains boar-like backbone.

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 12-20-2014, 12:45 PM
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(12-12-2014, 07:19 PM)Nero Wrote: Hi All,
The current Shavemac I own is:

22 x 48 in Fan, D-01 2-band

I really like the backbone and face feel, but it does hog the lather more than I like, so I often end up needing to squeeze the brush during lathering/face painting/etc.
I have found it to be particularly great with coaps, for whatever reason, but that isn't the point of this thread.

I am wondering what parameters you would change (from above) in order to minimize the lather-hogging, but keep the backbone/face feel as close to current as possible.

Thanks in advance!

P.S. I want to stick with Shavemac for this brush being spec'd, thanks.

I have the same spec brush in standard Silvertip. For me it has enough backbone for any cream/soap and more importantly great flow through. With the 48 loft it is also very controlled for a fan shape.


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 01-08-2015, 02:16 PM
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(12-20-2014, 12:45 PM)BossShave Wrote: [quote='Nero' pid='474097' dateline='1418440784']
I have the same spec brush in standard Silvertip. For me it has enough backbone for any cream/soap and more importantly great flow through. With the 48 loft it is also very controlled for a fan shape.

Thanks, I was really considering a standard silvertip. I might go to a 23 width.
And I am pretty sure I want a bulb just to be sure on the backbone.
Maybe I'll go for a 50 loft.

So, how does this sound in response to my original post... Silvertip regular 3-band, Bulb shape 23 x 50. Good flow-through and decent enough backbone (but obviously nothing like the D01 I mention in my OP), right? Won't be floppy, right?

For comparison, I also have a Thäter travel brush (silvertip 3-band, bulb, 21 x 55). And, now, just thinking of these changes above makes my mouth drool, so I think I have it spec'd!!!

Thanks for everyone's help on this!!

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 01-08-2015, 02:21 PM
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The 23/50 is definitely the way to go if your thinking about a bulb as it will just give it that little bit of extra coverage and probably be similar to my 22 fan.

What handle you thinking. In a 25 handle a 23 knot would go up into the next handle size.

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 01-08-2015, 09:02 PM
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Darn, that makes me want to get one in fan and in bulb!!

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 01-09-2015, 02:21 AM
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(01-08-2015, 09:02 PM)Nero Wrote: Darn, that makes me want to get one in fan and in bulb!!

If in doubt, always get both, Matt!Biggrin

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 01-10-2015, 08:41 AM
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I knew I could count on someone to justify it for me :-) :-) :-)

Does anyone think that there would be flow-through issues in a BULB at 23x50 in 3-band silvertip?? I don't want to end up with the same issue I'm trying to resolve.

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 01-10-2015, 10:12 AM
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(12-18-2014, 10:25 AM)Karlo Wrote: I don't own a D01 but I've been using their new non-D01 2-band silvertip for the past week and a half. Bulb shape knot at 24/48.

I apologize to the OP for the hijack.

Karlo (or others): Do you think a 26 x 50 would be excessively scrubby? Should I consider a 26 x 52?

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 01-10-2015, 10:49 AM
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(01-10-2015, 10:12 AM)MaxP Wrote:
(12-18-2014, 10:25 AM)Karlo Wrote: I don't own a D01 but I've been using their new non-D01 2-band silvertip for the past week and a half. Bulb shape knot at 24/48.

I apologize to the OP for the hijack.

Karlo (or others): Do you think a 26 x 50 would be excessively scrubby? Should I consider a 26 x 52?
Max,

If you are thinking of the new 2-band silvertip, I've had no problems with the bulb shape at 24/48mm. It does take a while to loosen up but the tips are very soft. I don't really consider it scrubby, more a concentrated presence of soft badger tips.

Caveat here is that I tend to shift to painting strokes as soon as my initial circular motions have generated a base of lather that I can further hydrate, spread and build.

(Edit : I didn't notice you were referring to a 26mm knot.)

I haven't had a 26mm brush of any type but you might also reach out to brush makers who've used these knots. They may be able to share feedback coming from their clients re: loft heights and face feel.

Good luck.

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 01-22-2015, 02:15 PM
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I've got a 25x50 fan in the new Silvertip 2-band and it is far from scrubby.  I've also got a 24x47 fan in the new hair and it is a tad scrubbier but far from the same scrub of the D-01 2-band fan (24x47) that I have and the flow-through of both are much better than the D-01 2 band.  I haven't tried the new hair in a bulb but I did have a Thater 4125/1 2-band bulb (~24x52) and can only imagine a Shavemac bulb knot with the same specs would be really nice.  The Thater hair was a tad too soft for me and the new Shavemac Silvertip 2-band is definitely my Goldilocks hair. My vote is the new Silvertip 2-band in bulb at ~ a 2.16 knot to loft ratio or a fan at a 2 to 1 or even a few mm shorter.  I could post pictures if you would like.

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 01-22-2015, 03:01 PM
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For what it's worth, I have a DO 2 band in a Shavemac Zebra Beehive (or Zebrahive). I hated this at first and was going to sell it.  It took more break in then any brush I have owned, but after about 40 uses it has become one of my cherished brushes.  You might just have to give it more time.

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 01-22-2015, 08:10 PM
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Another vote for the Silvertip 2 band its great

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 01-23-2015, 09:02 PM
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(01-22-2015, 02:15 PM)w_mcnabb Wrote: I've got a 25x50 fan in the new Silvertip 2-band and it is far from scrubby. I've also got a 24x47 fan in the new hair and it is a tad scrubbier but far from the same scrub of the D-01 2-band fan (24x47) that I have and the flow-through of both are much better than the D-01 2 band. I haven't tried the new hair in a bulb but I did have a Thater 4125/1 2-band bulb (~24x52) and can only imagine a Shavemac bulb knot with the same specs would be really nice. The Thater hair was a tad too soft for me and the new Shavemac Silvertip 2-band is definitely my Goldilocks hair. My vote is the new Silvertip 2-band in bulb at ~ a 2.16 knot to loft ratio or a fan at a 2 to 1 or even a few mm shorter. I could post pictures if you would like.

That would be very helpful, I would appreciate it very much! Thank you

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 01-24-2015, 08:40 AM
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(01-22-2015, 03:01 PM)Kpfeifle Wrote: For what it's worth, I have a DO 2 band in a Shavemac Zebra Beehive (or Zebrahive). I hated this at first and was going to sell it. It took more break in then any brush I have owned, but after about 40 uses it has become one of my cherished brushes. You might just have to give it more time.

Kevin

I agree! The D01 2-band does get better and softer every time I use it.
One thing I have been doing recently, is to soak the brush in hotter water and for longer amounts of time (than my other, less dense, brushes).
I have an electric scuttle I use everyday. Normally I set it at the lowest (160F) but with this brush I set it a few notches higher (185F).

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