01-07-2015, 04:27 AM
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I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it being used in front of shaving products, yes, because who the hell knows what it means; anyone can stick it on their label. I'm tired of seeing "artisan breads" or "artisan pizza" or "artisan kimchi" at the grocery store, same reason. I'm tired of my company cafeteria carrying "artisan doughnuts" and bumping up the price.

It's a meaningless word that is there for status. "I only buy artisan bottled water." It's for hipsters, people who watched the Portlandia episode where some diners are ordering chicken but want to know the name of the farm and chicken first, and thought "hey what a great idea."

Enough, I say!

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 01-07-2015, 04:45 AM
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  • Shaun
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Chickens have names? Crikey.

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 01-07-2015, 05:25 AM
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Would hand made be better?

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 01-07-2015, 05:50 AM
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(01-07-2015, 05:25 AM)NSmalls Wrote: Would hand made be better?

Actually yes, I think it's a bit more accurate, and prevents the label being slapped on anything and everything.

By the way, I'm not slamming the people in the Artisan Corner here - they are truly artisans doing this stuff by hand. I own a lot of these products myself. My issue is more with the overuse of the term in cases where it really doesn't apply.

For instance, there's a bakery around here, a good one, that has set up shop in two large cities (Seattle and Portland) and sells bread at many local grocery stores (as well as their own stores, I believe) and they call themselves 'artisan.' I think that's abusing the term. Gourmet, sure. Upscale, sure. Artisan, no.

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 01-07-2015, 05:56 AM
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To me an Artisan is someone who has perfected their craft.

If you are a DIY soap maker in your basement and the soap isn't good enough for a shower, you are not an Artisan but rather have a hobby.

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 01-07-2015, 06:03 AM
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i agree with you bruce Wink

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 01-07-2015, 06:21 AM
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(01-07-2015, 06:03 AM)tonsorius Wrote: i agree with you bruce Wink

As far as lather products go, I also meant to stress the "someone" portion of my statement. To me, large corporations pumping out soap with machines in a factory are not artisans.

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 01-07-2015, 06:29 AM
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(01-07-2015, 06:21 AM)Bruce Wrote:
(01-07-2015, 06:03 AM)tonsorius Wrote: i agree with you bruce Wink

As far as lather products go, I also meant to stress the "someone" portion of my statement. To me, large corporations pumping out soap with machines in a factory are not artisans.

And yet - sometimes that soap made with machines can be top-notch. If someone said "insomniac would you like to trade this mass-produced tallow Penhaligon's BB/EF for one of your artisan soaps" I'd happily say yes and I'm not even sure who would say no.

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 01-07-2015, 06:45 AM
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As far as soaps go, if a soap works, I don't care if it'd made by man or machine.

All evidence has been buried, all tapes have been erased.

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 01-07-2015, 07:16 AM
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(01-07-2015, 06:29 AM)insomniac Wrote:
(01-07-2015, 06:21 AM)Bruce Wrote:
(01-07-2015, 06:03 AM)tonsorius Wrote: i agree with you bruce Wink

As far as lather products go, I also meant to stress the "someone" portion of my statement. To me, large corporations pumping out soap with machines in a factory are not artisans.

And yet - sometimes that soap made with machines can be top-notch. If someone said "insomniac would you like to trade this mass-produced tallow Penhaligon's BB/EF for one of your artisan soaps" I'd happily say yes and I'm not even sure who would say no.

of course - but then it's not artisanal Biggrin

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 01-07-2015, 07:23 AM
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I am an artisan shaver and will sell my techniqueSmile24

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 01-07-2015, 07:54 AM
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Handcrafted is pretty played out too though honestly I use it regularly when talking about my brand. Artisan has lost ground to artisanal around here. Both have become essentially meaningless to me along the lines of saying something is all natural.
Welcome back Bruce!
(01-07-2015, 05:25 AM)NSmalls Wrote: Would hand made be better?

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 01-07-2015, 07:57 AM
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(01-07-2015, 07:54 AM)guildx500 Wrote: Handcrafted is pretty played out too though honestly I use it regularly when talking about my brand. Artisan has lost ground to artisanal around here. Both have become essentially meaningless to me along the lines of all natural.

Welcome back Bruce!

I guess "artisinal" is like the terms Organic, Naturally and Low Fat. All of these terms have become marketing gimmicks and people pay more for products with them on the label.

We indulged in a bottle of "Squirt" soda the other night and the label says in bold letters "Naturally Flavored Citrus" which you would think means lots of citrus fruit juices. Looking at the label, it stats "Contains less then 1% Fruit Juice" Blush

Juicy Juice brand contains, and I quote "Contains 0% fruit juice".

Low fat...compared to what?

Organic...how do you prove it to the consumer?

And thanks!

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 01-07-2015, 08:03 AM
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Sigh.

Sadly our society, and those who work hard to market goods and services, has a tendency to jump on verbiage that they think will improve sales.

I agree that 'artisan' is grossly overused. However, its a very subjective label. What/who I deem to be artisanal may not be viewed likewise by another.

I share your frustration in the overuse of the word.

And, I am similarly frustrated that there does not appear to be a good solution to such semantic fatigue.

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 01-07-2015, 08:42 AM
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There was a bakery in the San Fernando Valley called LE BON BREAD. The two women were from Normandy, and ,like French women could have been anywhere between 30 and 50 in that timeless way they defy aging. They wore traditional dress
and baked incredible croissants, fruit and chocolate filed pastries and baquettes. They drove an old 2CV Citroen 'tin snail'. A van arrived every morning from AIR FRANCE at LAX to pick up a huge box of baked goods for the Paris flight.Finally, in the corner was a huge copper coffeemaker with French Roast.
I went in on June 6th and paid with a few French pleasantries. I had slipped a Allied Liberation Franc among my dollars.
They saw it and began to cry. Natalie rushed into the office and returned with a bottle of Armanac and glasses. We drank breaking a few laws and an extra baquette was bagged for my vet uncle.
I was gone the next summer digging a Pliocene mammoth kill site in WYOMING. I went back and missed the UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP SIGN. Some anemic looking vegan guy, could have been Riff Raff's twin ( rocky Horror Picture show) said NAMASTE! another abused word among New Agers who gave up on BLESSED BE! and WICCA. He also introduced me to the word ARTISAN; offering this roofing tile with twigs and leafs sticking out of it- or so it seemed. I fled.
Artisan Yawn

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 01-07-2015, 09:16 AM
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Every single term is played out, honestly, because they're so many people doing the same type or are in the same line of work. You are not gonna find one thing that is complete standalone. For that i say, to each their own and i hope that the "true" workers of the field, won't stand too bothered by the nonsense that others provoke in simple terminology.

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 01-07-2015, 10:45 AM
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'Have a nice day' everybody24

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 01-07-2015, 06:43 PM
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This is an artisanal post. Any imperfections that may appear simply make it more "rustic", and are thus not imperfections at all. 100% typed by hand.


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 01-07-2015, 06:58 PM
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i take it you use all natural organic hands when typing? Rolleyes

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 01-07-2015, 07:49 PM
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(01-07-2015, 06:58 PM)tonsorius Wrote: i take it you use all natural organic hands when typing? Rolleyes

No, the tools are silicon and petroleum based. I usually try to keep that secret.


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