01-29-2015, 11:34 AM
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 I am currently using a Vulfix 404 boar/badger mix. I  love the performance I get from the mixed knot as well as the handle & knot size. My question being, does another badger/boar mix brush exist with similar or larger size?







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 01-29-2015, 04:14 PM
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Frank, i've been actively considering the brush you mention for my next acquisition. Tell me why i shouldn't buy it  Rolleyes

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 01-29-2015, 04:25 PM
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(01-29-2015, 11:34 AM)captain caveman Wrote:  I am currently using a Vulfix 404 boar/badger mix. I  love the performance I get from the mixed knot as well as the handle & knot size. My question being, does another badger/boar mix brush exist with similar or larger size?







Frank
The Semogue OC 2012 SE is a mixed knot. Not sure if they are still available though.

A much denser knot than the Vulfix.

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 01-29-2015, 04:52 PM
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The Semogue Mistura is another great mixed knot. It's bigger and denser than the 404.

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 01-29-2015, 05:12 PM
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(01-29-2015, 04:14 PM)chazt Wrote: Frank, i've been actively considering the brush you mention for my next acquisition. Tell me why i shouldn't buy it  Rolleyes

I face lather, i find a badger to "floppy". I have boar brushes which i prefer but they can be a bit scratchy & stiff until weel used. The mix seems to be just right for me. I would recommend the 404 because its a mix, has a beefy handle, and is modestly priced.

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 01-29-2015, 05:13 PM
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(01-29-2015, 04:52 PM)AngryGreek Wrote: The Semogue Mistura is another great mixed knot. It's bigger and denser than the 404.

Thanks, I'll have to check it out. It sounds like a contender. 

Update:
Bummer,  looks like it was a limited edition  Sad

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 01-29-2015, 05:19 PM
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(01-29-2015, 11:34 AM)captain caveman Wrote:  I am currently using a Vulfix 404 boar/badger mix. I  love the performance I get from the mixed knot as well as the handle & knot size. My question being, does another badger/boar mix brush exist with similar or larger size?







Frank

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 01-29-2015, 05:23 PM
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(01-29-2015, 04:25 PM)MrK1 Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 11:34 AM)captain caveman Wrote:  I am currently using a Vulfix 404 boar/badger mix. I  love the performance I get from the mixed knot as well as the handle & knot size. My question being, does another badger/boar mix brush exist with similar or larger size?



Seems that I've missed out on all the limited editions.  Dodgy



Frank
The Semogue OC 2012 SE is a mixed knot.  Not sure if they are still available though.

A much denser knot than the Vulfix.

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 01-29-2015, 05:24 PM
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(01-29-2015, 11:34 AM)captain caveman Wrote:  I am currently using a Vulfix 404 boar/badger mix. I  love the performance I get from the mixed knot as well as the handle & knot size. My question being, does another badger/boar mix brush exist with similar or larger size?







Frank

This was my first brush,loved the handle but the knot was really bad. Replaced the knot with a WD silver tip and enjoy using it.YMMG applies to all things. 

Ron

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 01-29-2015, 05:56 PM
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I too will recommend the Semogue (Classico Barbear) Mistura.  A wonderful brush; great for face lathering.  I see them every now and then on the various shave forums but they go quickly.

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 01-29-2015, 06:34 PM
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I haven't used it but the Omega 11047 is also another widely available, mixed option. For other limited editions, there is the RazoRock Amici, which was a remake of the Semogue Caravela.

I own both the Semogue 2012 LE and Semogue (Classico Barbear) Mistura. The Mistura knot is smaller, denser and has slightly more backbone than the 2012. It makes a great face lather but the handle is quite small. If you can find one, the 2012 LE is great, I prefer it to the Mistura.

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 01-29-2015, 08:08 PM
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(01-29-2015, 05:12 PM)captain caveman Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 04:14 PM)chazt Wrote: Frank, i've been actively considering the brush you mention for my next acquisition. Tell me why i shouldn't buy it  Rolleyes

I face lather, i find a badger to "floppy". I have boar brushes which i prefer but they can be a bit scratchy & stiff until weel used. The mix seems to be just right for me. I would recommend the 404 because its a mix, has a beefy handle, and is modestly priced.

I guess you have never used a Shavemac D-01 2-Band set at a lower loft, then!  Biggrin

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 01-30-2015, 04:11 AM
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(01-29-2015, 08:08 PM)celestino Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 05:12 PM)captain caveman Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 04:14 PM)chazt Wrote: Frank, i've been actively considering the brush you mention for my next acquisition. Tell me why i shouldn't buy it  Rolleyes

I face lather, i find a badger to "floppy". I have boar brushes which i prefer but they can be a bit scratchy & stiff until weel used. The mix seems to be just right for me. I would recommend the 404 because its a mix, has a beefy handle, and is modestly priced.

I guess you have never used a Shavemac D-01 2-Band set at a lower loft, then!  Biggrin
I have not. The lower loft does sound interesting. Is this a custom design?

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 01-30-2015, 04:12 AM
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Ummm you really don't want the D01 2 band set too low unless you have leather for skin.

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 01-30-2015, 06:06 AM
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I must say that I have recently tried the Vulfix Grosvernor 404 and liked it a lot. I am a big fan of Semogue mixed hair knots. I have a SOC 2012 SE, which is fantastic and also the BC LE Mistura, which is one of my all time favorite knots. Semogue uses 50% two band - 50% fine boar mix in their mixed knots and it is head and shoulders better than anything out there in the mixed hair land. Having said that, I have to agree with most here that Vulfix Grosvernor 404 is an amazing brush and a great value at under $40. I got introduced to it via a customer who wanted the knot replaced with a two band badger. He had a brand new 404 sent to me. I had a shave with it before removing the mixed knot and I was very impressed. I think this particular knot is mostly boar, but it worked great. So much so that I have saved it for myself after removing it. The 404 handle is solid resin and is of good quality except for the finish. It just does not have that Simpson shine. But it does polish right up with a plastic polish. I had the handle shining just like a Simpson by the time I was done with it.

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As for the original mixed knot, I have created a handle for it and am really enjoying using it. Here it is:

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Although I think Semogue is far superior in the mixed hair knots, this one is a really good mostly boar knot. If you want to explore some more mixed hair knots definitely give Semogue a try. They are the best mixed hair I have tried. Unfortunately, they do not make a regular production brush with the mixed hair. You need to hunt one down on BST. There is a the infamous Caravella, Amici (Caravella re-release), SOC 2012 SE (Caravella with a better resin SOC handle) for higher loft brushes (about 55mm-57mm). The lower loft (50mm-52mm) mixed knots include the Barbear Classico LE Mistura, TSN LE and there was one LE made for an Italian forum (don't recall the name). All wonderful brushes and I highly recommend trying at least one. My BC LE Mistura (#18/100) is not going anywhere. I may (and that's a big "IF") let go of my SOC SE though as I just prefer short loft brushes.

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 01-31-2015, 02:07 PM
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(01-29-2015, 05:12 PM)captain caveman Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 04:14 PM)chazt Wrote: Frank, i've been actively considering the brush you mention for my next acquisition. Tell me why i shouldn't buy it  Rolleyes

I face lather, i find a badger to "floppy". I have boar brushes which i prefer but they can be a bit scratchy & stiff until weel used. The mix seems to be just right for me. I would recommend the 404 because its a mix, has a beefy handle, and is modestly priced.

You have 110% not really tried any of the top badgers, based on that comment, my friend.

You can set the loft lower and the knot bigger and alter the knot shape to a sharp bulb to get a face lather monster of a badger brush.

Avoid the floppy high lofted Silvertips at all cost.

Look into getting a custom Shavemac D01 2-band or D01 3-Band, a custom M&F (if you can get though to Lee, a quite shy brush maker) or just one of the limited edition Simpson Manchurian or 2-bands.

But really you could just get a Simpson Duke 3 in best or a Simpson Chubby 2 in Best and get two face lather machines that both are far away from being anything close to floppy.

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 01-31-2015, 02:34 PM
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I got my 2012 SE off of the BST.  Keep an eye out and you can find one.

Haven't tried the Mistura so can't comment on it.  I have wondered a lot about the 404 though.  I've almost bought it many times.  I am like you and prefer a lot of backbone as well.

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 01-31-2015, 05:26 PM
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(01-30-2015, 04:11 AM)captain caveman Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 08:08 PM)celestino Wrote:
(01-29-2015, 05:12 PM)captain caveman Wrote: I face lather, i find a badger to "floppy". I have boar brushes which i prefer but they can be a bit scratchy & stiff until weel used. The mix seems to be just right for me. I would recommend the 404 because its a mix, has a beefy handle, and is modestly priced.

I guess you have never used a Shavemac D-01 2-Band set at a lower loft, then!  Biggrin
I have not. The lower loft does sound interesting. Is this a custom design?

Just go the Shavmac site and you customize the brush you want with handle, knot type, diameter and height. You can even order a stand-alone knot and set it into your own handle. 
You won't find a knot with stronger backbone than the D-01 2-Band from Shavemac. 

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 02-01-2015, 09:56 PM
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imo the semougue is the best of the mixed knots. i own 2 amici's, 2 of the 2012 le's, and 2 mistura's. imo the vulflux was just not as good it was not "bad" but not as good as the semogue's are for me. just know they def start off scritchy. i could not even use my 2012 and amici off the bat i had to do a number of hand lathers and a few towel lathers before i found them starting to get soft enough. and they are still my most scritchy more so then most of my boars are.

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 02-02-2015, 03:02 AM
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(01-29-2015, 06:34 PM)TripleG Wrote: I haven't used it but the Omega 11047 is also another widely available, mixed option.

The "Mixed Midget" is indeed small but works nicely. It's the only mixed loft I own.

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