02-24-2015, 11:00 AM
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I am starting to use more creams....and thought I might give this heralded house a try.  I know Blenheim Bouquet is very popular, but they have more than a few shaving creams available and I prefer the new Bayolea and English Fern scents to BB.  But I don't want to sacrifice performance.  Is performance the same across the board or are there differences?  Thanks in advance.

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 02-24-2015, 12:22 PM
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I've tried BB and Endymion, and found the performance to be exactly the same.

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 02-24-2015, 01:46 PM
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Is there a major difference in performance between the soaps and creams?

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 02-24-2015, 01:49 PM
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I read that soap (especially Sartorial) has a new reformulation which allows it to be as good as the cream. Is it right ?

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 02-24-2015, 02:06 PM
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I've read disappointing reviews on the new Bayolea cream & soaps...that's what sparked my question.

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 02-24-2015, 02:24 PM
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(02-24-2015, 01:49 PM)ClarkGable Wrote: I read that soap (especially Sartorial) has a new reformulation which allows it to be as good as the cream. Is it right ?

Better, IMO. The Pen's creams have very strong scents, fabulous packaging (the glass jars), and they are pretty concentrated, but lather wise they're not as good as the also British CF or GFT creams. The new formulation soaps, OTOH, lather remarkably well and the lather itself is top notch, on par (but different) with the best British soaps, DR Harris.

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 02-24-2015, 03:48 PM
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The Bayolea soap is universally loved. The cream is a subpar brushless cream. That is where the negative feedback comes from. I love the lather and scent of my Bayolea soap Smile

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 02-24-2015, 05:39 PM
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If your going to spend the big money on  Pen's, your money is better spent on the soaps, performance wise. 

Penhaligans Creams are simply not going compare to some of the other top tier creams in their price point, in terms of performance, IMHO. 

Vintage Penhaligans Creams, on the other hand, are a different argument, from what I understand. 

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 02-24-2015, 07:52 PM
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I own 3 Penhaligon creams all purchased in 2012, and they are all 3 (BLENHEIM, OPUS & ENDYMION) excellent performers. 

Supposedly made by Creighton, that makes for Harris and 3 T's and St. James of London, I find the performance of all my 3 Penhaligon Creams GREAT. I will rank them in Top 10-15 among the 80-90 creams I own. 

I own Sartorial and Bayolea soap, 3.rd formulation, and love their performance too. In my Top 15 of best soaps in my 50-60 soaps I own currently. 

Don't know about the Bayolea cream in the jar. Grant says it's a brushless cream which sounds like it could be a somewhat less inspiring cream to use. Especially for the steep price it cost !

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 02-25-2015, 01:23 PM
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I had no idea the Sartorial and Bayolea shaving soaps were a different (and great) forumula, this is great news!

Is the same thing true with the Blenheim Bouquet and English Fern shaving soaps?

I love all of the Penhaligon's shaving creams, great scent, great performance, the only one I haven't tried is the brushless Bayolea.

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 02-25-2015, 02:35 PM
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(02-25-2015, 01:23 PM)shavingsampleshop Wrote: I had no idea the Sartorial and Bayolea shaving soaps were a different (and great) forumula, this is great news!

Is the same thing true with the Blenheim Bouquet and English Fern shaving soaps?

I love all of the Penhaligon's shaving creams, great scent, great performance, the only one I haven't tried is the brushless Bayolea.

Blenheim Bouquet soap is the same formulation as Sartorial and Bayolea. English Fern is now discontinued, unfortunately.

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 02-25-2015, 04:48 PM
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(02-25-2015, 02:35 PM)Optometrist Wrote:
(02-25-2015, 01:23 PM)shavingsampleshop Wrote: I had no idea the Sartorial and Bayolea shaving soaps were a different (and great) forumula, this is great news!

Is the same thing true with the Blenheim Bouquet and English Fern shaving soaps?

I love all of the Penhaligon's shaving creams, great scent, great performance, the only one I haven't tried is the brushless Bayolea.

Blenheim Bouquet soap is the same formulation as Sartorial and Bayolea. English Fern is now discontinued, unfortunately.

Not 100% surely. Still some of 2.nd poor formulation BB around. 

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 02-25-2015, 09:36 PM
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(02-25-2015, 04:48 PM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(02-25-2015, 02:35 PM)Optometrist Wrote:
(02-25-2015, 01:23 PM)shavingsampleshop Wrote: I had no idea the Sartorial and Bayolea shaving soaps were a different (and great) forumula, this is great news!

Is the same thing true with the Blenheim Bouquet and English Fern shaving soaps?

I love all of the Penhaligon's shaving creams, great scent, great performance, the only one I haven't tried is the brushless Bayolea.

Blenheim Bouquet soap is the same formulation as Sartorial and Bayolea. English Fern is now discontinued, unfortunately.

Not 100% surely. Still some of 2.nd poor formulation BB around. 
Inevitably, there will still be some previous formulation BB soaps around, but the latest went on sale 18 months ago, now. 
Ensuring the purchase comes with the darker wooden bowl will guarantee the new formulation.

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 02-26-2015, 08:03 AM
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Pen's BB Cream is excellent.

And I did not give them much of a chance, admittedly, but while i had the new Sartorial and BB soaps (before selling both) I found them to be basically average performers, and didn't understand why the rave reviews.

Also, I DETEST the scent of Sartorial.
And scent of BB cream is much better than the BB soap (and shockingly even better than the BB EdT, IMHO).

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 02-26-2015, 12:51 PM
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Thanks for the info on the soap formulations, this is great news indeed.

Where is my credit card??? Cool

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 02-27-2015, 02:12 AM
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(02-26-2015, 12:51 PM)shavingsampleshop Wrote: Thanks for the info on the soap formulations, this is great news indeed.

Where is my credit card??? Cool

+1 Biggrin Biggrin

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 02-27-2015, 07:15 PM
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The Bayolea cream is a brushless cream and not worth the money in my opinion.  The prior BB cream in the similar glass jar was excellent.  The new soaps are better than the previous versions but not as good as the old tallow soaps. 

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 02-27-2015, 08:34 PM
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(02-27-2015, 07:15 PM)alabamalawyer Wrote: The Bayolea cream is a brushless cream and not worth the money in my opinion.  The prior BB cream in the similar glass jar was excellent.  The new soaps are better than the previous versions but not as good as the old tallow soaps. 

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 03-02-2015, 08:40 AM
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My Penhaligon's Bayolea shaving soap got selected for "Soap of the Week" (that's usually how I rotate my soaps rather than daily), and it was fan-dang-tastic!  It's a breeze to lather, smells great, good combination of slickness and cushion and doesn't dry out my skin.  I can't say that you are getting an amazing soap for the price, but you are getting a solid performing soap with an amazing scent.  YMMV and all that jazz.

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