04-14-2015, 01:26 PM
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i've tried too many brushes and have pared them down to mostly Shavemac D01 and a couple of fuller/thicker silvertips.  I'd like to find a synthetic that will work for me.  I tried the Plisson but found it to be floppy.  Are there any firm but soft synthetics on the market?

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 04-14-2015, 01:35 PM
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  • BobH
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I don't think you will find a production synthetic brush with more backbone and really soft tips than the Simpson ones. I had a Muhle STF XL V2 and at the factory loft it was somewhere in the middle between the Simpsons and the Plisson. 

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 04-14-2015, 01:47 PM
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I have 4 synthetic brushes, Kent, Muhle HJM, Rudy Vey and Plisson. Hands down the Plisson is the best IMO.

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 04-14-2015, 01:52 PM
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If you found the Plisson too floppy; give "The Grooming Company" brush a try. It has the same fibres (knot?) as the Plisson but set deeper to give it more backbone. The one I have is great, but the handle itself isn't very comfortable for me personally. The knot is fantastic.

I also recently picked up a Simpsons Classic Synthetic. The knot is very firm; takes a little getting used to but it works very well. I believe Simpsons will be producing synthetic brushes alongside their badger lines in the near future.

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 04-14-2015, 02:59 PM
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The Grooming Company knot transplanted into a custom handle would be my suggestion if you like very good backbone or the Chubby 2 synthetic.
I still like the EJ XL the best, but I can't comment on the Chubby 2 as I have yet to try it.
Good luck.

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 04-14-2015, 03:32 PM
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(04-14-2015, 01:47 PM)George N Wrote: I have 4 synthetic brushes, Kent, Muhle HJM, Rudy Vey and Plisson. Hands down the Plisson is the best IMO.

Yes, but the OP has found the Plisson too floppy for his tastes and would like a synthetic with more backbone. 

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 04-14-2015, 04:07 PM
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EJ/Muhle STF XL .. period.  Cool

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 04-14-2015, 04:24 PM
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  • Leo K.
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I'm looking for a synthetic brush as well. I'm curious about the Plisson and the Simpson's synthetics. Are there any US carrier for these? I've been searching online, but not certain how to buy them.

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 04-14-2015, 04:57 PM
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  • srgjazz
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I had the Muhle STF XL and the Plisson. I went back to Silvertips. I can highly recommend a Savile Row 3120 Silvertip. I use it regularly and for travel. It dries fast and performs like a bigger brush. 
If you must try a synthetic, the EJ/Muhle would be my choice. 

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 04-14-2015, 05:12 PM
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For what you are looking for there are only 2 options. 

GroCo or EJ/Mühle STF XL

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 04-14-2015, 05:32 PM
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  • eengler
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Here is an example of a Grooming Co knot in a Doug Korn Custom Handle.
[Image: tZ05z3u.jpg]

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 04-14-2015, 05:49 PM
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Ed, that is gorgeous!  You are seriously making me consider doing the same. 

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 04-14-2015, 06:06 PM
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I didn't care for Grooming Co. nor Plisson. The only knot that approaches, and at least for me exceeds the performance of badger brushes, is the Edwin Jagger STF XL brush. 

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 04-14-2015, 06:58 PM
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(04-14-2015, 05:32 PM)eengler Wrote: Here is an example of a Grooming Co knot in a Doug Korn Custom Handle.
[Image: tZ05z3u.jpg]
Wow that is beautiful... I really enjoy my GC

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 04-14-2015, 07:18 PM
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(04-14-2015, 05:49 PM)racebmx Wrote: Ed, that is gorgeous!  You are seriously making me consider doing the same. 

Thanks Paolo, I am very pleased with the brushes from Doug. 

I enjoyed the GC knot but the handle was just too small hence the custom.

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 04-14-2015, 07:43 PM
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I am now thinking of getting the Edwin Jagger. Aces!

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 04-14-2015, 08:13 PM
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Are the large size that much different than the XL size Edwin Jagger?

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 04-14-2015, 08:59 PM
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(04-14-2015, 04:57 PM)srgjazz Wrote: I had the Muhle STF XL and the Plisson. I went back to Silvertips. I can highly recommend a Savile Row 3120 Silvertip. I use it regularly and for travel. It dries fast and performs like a bigger brush. 
If you must try a synthetic, the EJ/Muhle would be my choice. 

+1 

Have owned most synthetics, they lack soul for my taste.
Just find a prime badger gives me so much better results.

But the Edwin Jagger XL is a very fine synthetic brush, if you like backbone. 
The Plisson is great for sensitive skin, but to me it feels way to floppy and does not give me a face massage, when face lathering.
It gives me close to no sensation at all in fact. Therefore I call it soulless.
The Plisson is ultra soft, too soft for my taste.

Also give the Mühle STF XL a try, some say it's the same as the EJ XL, I feel it's 10% less dense.

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 04-15-2015, 12:29 PM
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I have the Muhle and EJ in XL, and the Simpson Chubby 2.

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All three are excellent but different.  Which one is better for you depends on your preferences in knot characteristics.  The knots look and perform differently.  I find the Muhle and EJ to be very similar in feel and performance.  I know that many users have found the EJ to be denser than the Muhle, even though they have the same knot.  This has not been my experience.  To me they seem to have the same density.  

If you like backbone, the Chubby 2 synthetic has no equal in my mind.  With the CH2, that backbone does not come at the expense of softness, as the brush is exceptionally soft despite having less splay.  If you like more splay, while still retaining sufficient backbone, the Muhle and EJ may be more to your liking.  For me, the CH2 is the best synthetic on the market.

I have not tried the Plisson because just from reading about it I know it will not have enough backbone for me.           

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 04-15-2015, 01:20 PM
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(04-15-2015, 12:29 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: I have the Muhle and EJ in XL, and the Simpson Chubby 2.

[Image: oK515Xb.jpg]

All three are excellent but different.  Which one is better for you depends on your preferences in knot characteristics.  The knots look and perform differently.  I find the Muhle and EJ to be very similar in feel and performance.  I know that many users have found the EJ to be denser than the Muhle, even though they have the same knot.  This has not been my experience.  To me they seem to have the same density.  

If you like backbone, the Chubby 2 synthetic has no equal in my mind.  With the CH2, that backbone does not come at the expense of softness, as the brush is exceptionally soft despite having less splay.  If you like more splay, while still retaining sufficient backbone, the Muhle and EJ may be more to your liking.  For me, the CH2 is the best synthetic on the market.

I have not tried the Plisson because just from reading about it I know it will not have enough backbone for me.           
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