Has anyone had any luck in steaming out a Vie-Long knot?

I've been trying to use Teiste's steaming technique to remove a couple of Vie-Long knots and I've had no success at all.

Basically, I have the BGS2012 horse/badger brush that I think could stand to have a slightly higher loft, so I want to reset it.

I also have a Peleon that I love the knot on, but not the handle. I want to remove that knot intact to reuse it in another handle.

It sucks that I cannot get these knots off undamaged.

Any suggestions? Has anyone been able to steam off a Vie-Long knot? I wonder what glue they use, because I've been able to remove a lot of other knots using this technique.

My friend,I did it with a cheap Vie Long boar hair brush and no problems at all.I put a 20mm fan shaped finest badger knot from TGN.It was pretty easy.
I dont know if Vie Long is using a new epoxy harder to remove,but I dont think so.

Teiste -

I'll give it another go, but I steamed the brush for about 40 min last time, and still there was absolutely no movement.

I think you should send them to the steam master Teiste.

(06-11-2012, 09:04 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Teiste -

I'll give it another go, but I steamed the brush for about 40 min last time, and still there was absolutely no movement.

Well,more time then.I dont remember for how long I kept the Vie Long boar brush on the steaming bath,but Im positive it was over an hour.

(06-11-2012, 09:50 AM)Dave Wrote: I think you should send them to the steam master Teiste.

No,Im not a master in anything,just another learner.

Teiste,

Have you ever observed any damage to the knot itself or to the hairs caused by steaming or that length of time?

(06-11-2012, 10:54 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Teiste,

Have you ever observed any damage to the knot itself or to the hairs caused by steaming or that length of time?

Well, I am not Teiste of course, but when I have done them for a long period of time the answer is yes. The hairs and knots usually are somewhat damaged. The hairs are weaken and become brittle and frizzy after the heat is removed.

You might want to take a look at this for an alternative if you want a horse hair knot. I have bought one but have not had the time restore one with this yet.

http://www.badgerbrush.net/catalog.php/b...Brush_Knot

(06-11-2012, 04:12 PM)GDCarrington Wrote:

(06-11-2012, 10:54 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Teiste,

Have you ever observed any damage to the knot itself or to the hairs caused by steaming or that length of time?

Well, I am not Teiste of course, but when I have done them for a long period of time the answer is yes. The hairs and knots usually are somewhat damaged. The hairs are weaken and become brittle and frizzy after the heat is removed.

You might want to take a look at this for an alternative if you want a horse hair knot. I have bought one but have not had the time restore one with this yet.

http://www.badgerbrush.net/catalog.php/b...Brush_Knot

Gary,thanks for answering,and yes,I have noticed the same damaged on the hairs (both boar and badger ) when I have steamed the brushes for over an hour.However,I didnt care,since I wanted to get rid of the knots.

(06-11-2012, 04:39 PM)Teiste Wrote:

(06-11-2012, 04:12 PM)GDCarrington Wrote:

(06-11-2012, 10:54 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: Teiste,

Have you ever observed any damage to the knot itself or to the hairs caused by steaming or that length of time?

Well, I am not Teiste of course, but when I have done them for a long period of time the answer is yes. The hairs and knots usually are somewhat damaged. The hairs are weaken and become brittle and frizzy after the heat is removed.

You might want to take a look at this for an alternative if you want a horse hair knot. I have bought one but have not had the time restore one with this yet.

http://www.badgerbrush.net/catalog.php/b...Brush_Knot

Gary,thanks for answering,and yes,I have noticed the same damaged on the hairs (both boar and badger ) when I have steamed the brushes for over an hour.However,I didnt care,since I wanted to get rid of the knots.

True, our objectives were to get rid of the old to put in the new.

That is why I recommended the new horse hair knot.

Good luck, Yohann. i usually leave brushes to the Pros.

That PC Woodcraft knot is very floppy with zero backbone. FYI.
Vic

(06-16-2012, 02:57 PM)vpayne Wrote: That PC Woodcraft knot is very floppy with zero backbone. FYI.
Vic

Thanks for the info. When I put this one I have in, I will shorten the loft.

I decided to leave my Vie-Long brushes alone and just use them as-is.

The steaming technique has already allowed me to rescue a lot of my brush handles, so I don't need to push it.