05-08-2015, 05:40 PM
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Is there a preferred or a standard loft for a 24 mm bulb-shaped 2-band silvertip knot?  

I am looking at purchasing Shavemac 24 mm bulb-shaped 2-band silvertip knots for a couple of custom brushes.  I am currently using Savile Row 3824 and 3124 brushes.  These brushes are bulb-shaped 3-band silvertip and described as 24 mm with 54 mm loft.

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 05-08-2015, 08:29 PM
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It depends a bit on how steep is the bulb. The steeper the bulb, the higher should be the loft, else the knot will feel small. I usually like to start with a 2:1 ratio for a fan-ish knot and then make adjustments up or down. Up for more of a bulb, equal or down for more of a fan. Another factor is how firm is the hair. If the hair is on the firmer side, you can increase the loft and maintain sufficient backbone. 

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 05-08-2015, 09:09 PM
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As Rob has mentioned, it really is a personal preference. 
The new Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band hair is quite firm, but with extremely soft tips and you can probably go with a loft of 52mm if you are ordering a Bulb-shaped knot. If you want more backbone, you can drop it to 48-50mm. It really will depend on your preference. 
Couldn't you temporarily set the knots into the handles to see how the lofts work and then adjust them, accordingly? 
Good luck. 

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 05-09-2015, 02:58 AM
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Personal preference.  I'm gravitating towards higher lofts as I find I get better flow-thru, release of lather.  

For a true bulb with hair that is quite firm I'd be tempted to push it to 54mm.

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 05-09-2015, 03:24 AM
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I have mine set at 1:2 with a 25mm/50mm knot. I wanted a scrubbier knot because I prefer that face feel. I still find the flow through to be good, but I am also used to denser brushes. Although it is somewhat scrubby it is also soft.  The bulb at this ratio felt a bit pointy for the first 3 shaves, but then the knot opened up and it feels great. If that sounds like what you're wanting then 24mm/48mm could work. If you are wanting a similar face feel to your Saville Row I'd take the knot higher, maybe 52mm or 54mm. 

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 05-09-2015, 03:46 AM
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I have a Wolf Whiskers custom brush with a Shavemac 26 mm bulb, 2 band silvertip knot. I asked Peter to set it at 51mm as I wanted it firm.
After using it for about 6 shaves, I think 52 or 53 would have been a slightly better choice. The two band silvertip hair is sufficiently stiff of itself and a 2:1 ratio or slightly higher would be fine.

For your question concerning a 24mm knot, I think you could go as high as 54 and still have a scrubbier brush than the Saville Row.

Just my opinion.

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 05-09-2015, 04:24 AM
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I also have a 26mm bulb and at 52mm it's about as good as I could want. Still firm but splays easy enough. These are very good knots.

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 05-09-2015, 07:59 AM
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If you bowl lather I'd go with the higher recommendations you've gotten here.

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 05-09-2015, 08:38 AM
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For the density that Shavemac has, I'd go fan and at least 2:1 knot to height.

24/52 is what I'd go with. I'd you actually order a 24mm Shavemac, you can expect it to be 24-26 at opening. In which case, you'd want about 54mm height.

Again, just my preference.

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 05-09-2015, 12:45 PM
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I'm repeating what the other guys have said, so i should just sh_ut up  Biggrin

But if you like a dense feeling bulb shaped knot for face lathering, multiply the knot size with circa 2.00 and you get a great feeling brush for face lathering.

Knot size 24 mm = 48 mm loft

But this rule only applies up to a certain brush knot size IMHO

For instance I would think my Chubby 3 Manchurian, which has a knot size of 31 mm, would have a too large loft if it was 2 X 31 mm = 62 mm loft.

Saville Row is an excellent brush with great flow through, but it's not very dense IMHO
The Saville Row is suited for both bowl lathering as well as face lathering, but it's on the less dense size for face lather brush IMHO

I own one in 24 mm, and find it's a great brush, but not in my Top 10 personal favorites from my collection, not even Top 20......

Shavemacs can be had in a variety of density's - I own 8 and all except one is custom made and 5 of them are very densely packed with hairs.

If you bowl lather, you really don't need to focus on the same amount of details and attention to loft/knot size, because you create the lather in a bowl - and pretty much anything within respectable specifications can create lather in a bowl. Feel is far less of importance, when you bowl lather IMHO.

A longer handle is one thing I would say is far more important in a bowl lather brush for practical reasons.

Us face latherers get to experience a brush more intimately (no pun intended) than a bowl lather will.
We feel the brush, the knot and the hairs far more. 
As such a face latherer will tend to be more aware of the specifications in a brush, such as knot size, handle size, knot shape, loft, badger hair type and so on.

So the vital question is:
Are you a face latherer or bowl latherer ?  

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 05-10-2015, 07:55 AM
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Good info Claus,thanks....................Ernie

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 05-12-2015, 04:06 PM
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Thanks for the replies.  After exchanging a few emails with Shavemac, Bernd recommended going with a 24/52 mm knot in the 2-band silvertip.  I tend to face lather more than bowl lather.  I have a Savile Row 3824 and 3124, so I am hoping the Shavemac will be a similar in size with more backbone.  

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 05-12-2015, 04:47 PM
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I just picked up one of Bernd's knots in his new 2-band, 24/52, and love it!  Perfect balance between backbone and flow-thru imo.

(05-12-2015, 04:06 PM)HaigUltra76 Wrote: Thanks for the replies.  After exchanging a few emails with Shavemac, Bernd recommended going with a 24/52 mm knot in the 2-band silvertip.  I tend to face lather more than bowl lather.  I have a Savile Row 3824 and 3124, so I am hoping the Shavemac will be a similar in size with more backbone.  

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