06-19-2015, 01:25 PM
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  • Agravic
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  • Pennsylvania, USA
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TSN is now into its fourth year of existence, and continues to grow steadily, with active participation of members as well as supporting artisans and vendors.
People are increasingly discovering the merits of this hobby, and there is more variety than ever in terms of products available in the marketplace.

Here at TSN, we strive to maintain a culture and atmosphere that allows for gentlemanly interaction between our members, artisans, and vendors.
The forum benefits from active involvement of all members, established and new, who share a common passion.
The vast majority of our members observe honesty and integrity in terms of their conduct on the forum, and are respectful of forum rules.
Our forum rules are fairly simple, and most members exercise good judgment and follow them without issue.

Sadly, it only takes a few unscrupulous individuals to spoil things for everyone.
We are increasingly concerned with an element of behavior that goes against the core values and integrity of TSN.
Posts/threads that constitute blatant advertising or promotion with set agendas, rather than honest discussion of appropriate topics, are contrary to the ideals of TSN.
What may be acceptable at other social media venues (forums and groups), is not welcome here.  Rampant 'fanboyism', shilling, and trolling will not be tolerated here.  
Members who wish to behave in this manner can do so elsewhere.
There exists a fine line between proper dialogue and undesirable activity.  We frown upon the latter, and those who display such behavior will be subject to Moderator actions.
Banning of members from TSN is an action that is not taken lightly, and shall be employed as a means if necessary, in order to protect the better interests of all here.

Thank you for your ongoing support and involvement here on TSN. 
We look forward to further growth and development, and are excited for the future.

TSN Administrators and Moderators.

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 06-19-2015, 01:31 PM
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Thank you to you Ravi and all of our Mods on the Nook. 

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 06-19-2015, 01:45 PM
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Thank you for this update; very much appreciated!

From my Tab through the Tap

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 06-19-2015, 01:48 PM
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Good post. Act like a gentleman and get treated like a gentleman.

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 06-19-2015, 02:01 PM
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I left a place like that and I would never go back.  I'm a new member in here and so far it is a very different place from the one I left behind.

Thanks for reminding the membership what this is all about.  I thank you, the mods and owner, for putting the time and voluntary effort, so we can have a place to share our common interests.

It is all a matter of mutual respect. Wink

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 06-19-2015, 02:09 PM
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Thank you Mods & Admins for your hard work in keeping this place in the gentlemanly manner it was intended. It's a simple rule on how one should act. Shame not everyone can follow it.

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 06-19-2015, 02:16 PM
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As a new member, one of the best qualities of this forum is the friendly, helpful dialogue. I'm sure most of the newbie questions have been asked numerous times. The patience and answers are greatly appreciated and promote enthusiasm for wet shaving and collecting the "tools of the trade." I've visited other forums where the gentlemanly demeanor is not nearly as prevalent.

Thanks for maintaining the standards.

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 06-19-2015, 02:47 PM
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Ravi,

Well said. Thank you for what you and all the administrators and moderators do to keep TSN as a superb forum for our members and the wet shaving community.

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 06-19-2015, 04:23 PM
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This is one of the most down to earth place on the net - let's keep it that way! Thanks all!

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 06-19-2015, 05:00 PM
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Ravi, 


We sincerely thank you for your work, and contribution to have developed a constructive and friendly atmosphere, bringing people from various countries who share the same passions. 


It is an extraordinary work by you and your team. We just have to thank you. congratulations.



Lorenzo

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 06-19-2015, 05:19 PM
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Every wet shaving forum has shills, the only one that I know that doesn't is the Original Safety Too and only because it is so small. Or really any forum where there is a commercial interest. Take it as a sign TSN is experiencing good growth. keep up the good work moderating.

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 06-19-2015, 05:29 PM
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  • clint64
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  • Atlanta, GA
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Thank you Mods and Admins for the hard work and all your efforts in keeping the forum run smoothly.

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 06-19-2015, 06:55 PM
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  • Gabe
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  • Arizona
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Well said Ravi. I enjoy the "community" feeling of this forum. Members treat each other with respect and honesty. Unfortunately it does only take a few members to ruin it. Thank you Mods for your time in insuring this forum remains  gentlemanly.

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 06-19-2015, 07:34 PM
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I'm glad to not know why this post was necessary. 

Shave On!

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 06-19-2015, 10:15 PM
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  • Hanzo
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(06-19-2015, 05:19 PM)fram773 Wrote: Every wet shaving forum has shills, the only one that I know that doesn't is the Original Safety Too and only because it is so small. Or really any forum where there is a commercial interest. Take it as a sign TSN is experiencing good growth. keep up the good work moderating.

If you go back on all the forums say 5 years ago, shilling and fan boyism were not BIG issues at all. They have become so because of the proliferation of commercialism in shaving  , so many people competing to sell and using any means to do so.

Its to me not a sign of good growth though but a negative change, that compared with the past life of the forums , is really off putting. Years back if vendors or artisans might post on a forum it didn't involve the hard sell of items as they were wet shaving hobbyists themselves, it was a member turning his hobby into a paying side line . Now it seems a soap maker per se can see the forums as a place to sell a product, they are not necessarily interested in wet shaving. Organized militant fan boys didn't exist on the forums at one time and you could trust that a poster even if you didn't agree with him was honest .

Its good the negative changes are being spoken about and addressed , it can only keep the hobby fun.

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 06-20-2015, 01:39 AM
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(06-19-2015, 10:15 PM)Hanzo Wrote:
(06-19-2015, 05:19 PM)fram773 Wrote: Every wet shaving forum has shills, the only one that I know that doesn't is the Original Safety Too and only because it is so small. Or really any forum where there is a commercial interest. Take it as a sign TSN is experiencing good growth. keep up the good work moderating.

If you go back on all the forums say 5 years ago, shilling and fan boyism were not BIG issues at all. They have become so because of the proliferation of commercialism in shaving  , so many people competing to sell and using any means to do so.

Its to me not a sign of good growth though but a negative change, that compared with the past life of the forums , is really off putting. Years back if vendors or artisans might post on a forum it didn't involve the hard sell of items as they were wet shaving hobbyists themselves, it was a member turning his hobby into a paying side line . Now it seems a soap maker per se can see the forums as a place to sell a product, they are not necessarily interested in wet shaving. Organized militant fan boys didn't exist on the forums at one time and you could trust that a poster even if you didn't agree with him was honest .

Its good the negative changes are being spoken about and addressed , it can only keep the hobby fun.

I couldn't agree with you more. That was also around the time I began wetshaving. Back in the day you could pick up a minty DE for $20, and the "artisan" community was just Mama Bear and a couple other melt and pours.

with the increasing age of the wet shaving forums I've noticed some people start to come in that are also clearly mentally ill and derive all their self worth from their obsession. Some of these individuals can be the biggest fanboys of all, and they don't do this with a nefarious commercial intent.

it feels good to reminisce about the good old days but at least with this growth there is more variety and little danger of the shavepocalipse. Lets remember that many of us made large efforts to "convert" people like this was a cult or something, so it is largely our fault.

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 06-20-2015, 03:01 AM
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  • VTMAX
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This reminds me of the time I had to order over the phone or through the Trumpers catalog so certainly times have changed.  In the early days SRP was the first active forum but was geared toward straight shavers.  Charles Roberts was the one who started the first traditional wet shaving forum and when he shut it down things took off.  I do miss the simplicity of the early (2006/7) days of shavemyface.  A small dedicated group some of whom still participate today.  I keep in touch with a few who don't post anymore but check in every couple of months.  They seem to be getting on fine with a great set of gear.

There are wonderful new hardware & software products, some of which I am quite partial to, and I hope these products thrive.  I do notice that today's enthusiasm for wet shaving has turned quite fervent and into competition for some but with growth that's bound to happen I guess.

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 06-20-2015, 07:50 AM
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Hiya,

You guys run a good forum. I understand the atmosphere being provided here and TSN seems successful, which is nice to see. Not exactly my kinda place though, so I hang out mostly elsewhere. We all sink to our own level......heh.

So regarding shills......my basic definition is someone who artificially inflates the worth or performance of a product and done for personal gain.That sound about right? If so, I can't recall seeing much of that anywhere, or at least not for long. Most members are too smart to fall for that sorta crap, and I do see the Mods act aggressively on some forums when it does happen.

What is a 'fanboy'? Is that someone who emphatically and often talks up a product he honestly likes? If that's the case, what's the problem? If certain companies benefit along with the members because of good reviews then wonderful. I really don't know what the negative part is, unless I'm missing something.

One thing that happens in all forums is guys getting screwed by another member. Nothing you would see in any posts about the issues till it had spread pretty good. This is because members are trusting and willing to give a break to another person in the 'club'. I would bet that's going on right now in some way. Or maybe I am just cynical from having seen it before in various places.

Ok, I am done,

Martin

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 06-20-2015, 08:30 AM
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  • v4257
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Thank you Ravi & all mods.

The line between tolerating free speech and clamping down on harmful behavior is a fuzzy one. 

As is the one between welcoming commercial sponsorship while maintaining neutrality. 

So I'm glad you guys take this responsibility seriously and provide a forum for free exchange of ideas & knowledge.

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 06-20-2015, 10:31 AM
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  • chazt
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(06-19-2015, 07:34 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: I'm glad to not know why this post was necessary. 

Shave On!

I agree. This isn't the first time I've been befuddled by similar sentiments. Still a relative newb, I'm here to enjoy the non-shaving aspects of shaving, namely, good conversation and exchange of ideas and information.

Thank You to all the fine folks who contribute to making TSN relaxed, interesting, informative and fun. It's the only shave related forum in which I care to participate.

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