06-28-2015, 09:58 AM
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Why did Weber & Tradere stop making razors?

From what I've read they were supposed to be quite good.  Any chance for them to start producing DE's again?

I did receive two Weber handles that I ordered las week. I like them. I tried them this morning with a Merkur head and it does make a big difference. 

Cheers Tilly

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 06-28-2015, 10:15 AM
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I was wondering the same thing. I have been wanting one of the tradere solid bars for awhile now! I have heard a lot of good things about them from a few different people.

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 06-28-2015, 10:56 AM
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I'm certainly not "In the know" and have no more insight than the next bloke...especially here on the wrong side of the sea... but (a) I have one and and am distinctly fond of it, and (b) if they DID start making heads again I would probably have a job resisting a new 'factory fresh' one. Mine was bought on a UK BST.

My one had the rails straightened on an abrasive block in order to sort out the 'wavy blade' issue and, whilst not absolutely perfect, it feels fine to me in terms of shaving with it.  I've had the loan of another which didn't get the treatment and you can just about see if you look really closely...and can feel (by placing the rails on a very flat surface and seeing if it rocks) the slight unevenness but both the owner and myself didn't actually find much to complain about but there was no shortage of others who grumbled about the same thing in times past.

So I suppose the wavy blade syndrome might have had something to do with the current absence of head production whereas it's, perhaps, easier to make handles without a kink in them?  This is only what I've seen in print and isn't my own conspiracy theory.

Have no knowledge whatsoever re. Tradere.

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 06-28-2015, 11:19 AM
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I'm sure is not easy to be in a business like that one.  All it takes is one complaint and your product can hit the crapper pretty quick.

I own a Weber that I just got, and even with a bit of a wave, it is a great shaver.

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 06-28-2015, 01:10 PM
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  • chamm
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I have both Traderes (OC & SB) as well as a Weber. Fine instruments, all, but there is an awful lot that goes into making them. Since the Webers are sintered stainless steel, they are made in large batches. The setup cost for a batch is significant, and perhaps they didn't think the economics of making another batch are justified. In regards to Tradere, I suspect the reason was less about economics and more about who owns the rights to produce them. I believe that Richard Mason went in on a patent for the razors with a partner. Maybe he and this partner and he aren't able to work out details for manufacture?

All conjecture, but I do believe there are good reasons for these manufacturers going dark.

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 06-28-2015, 01:12 PM
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I really hope Tradere kicks into production again. I've been looking for a SB for 6 months but to no avail. Would love to try one.

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 06-28-2015, 03:38 PM
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Weber seems to be content on making handles only and some who have contacted them have gotten the same response. As far as Tradere is concerned at least a year and a half ago they indicated on their website that they cut ties with the machine shop making their razors because of some internal problems and were looking for a new shop to begin producing razors again. Several months ago I sent an email to Tradere but got no response. 

As far as I am concerned Wolfman and iKon make the best razors. There is also Above The Tie which does a fairly good job but they farm out to a machine shop to produce their razors.

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 06-28-2015, 04:18 PM
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Don't forget LA Shaving Soap Company. Although they come from the same machine shop as Wolfman, the BBS-1 is LASSC exclusive. It is more expensive than a Wolfman, but it is the #1 razor in my collection.

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 06-28-2015, 04:50 PM
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I never had any issues with Weber razors and hope to see them return to making complete razors again. They were a great value.

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 06-28-2015, 05:35 PM
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I had a Weber.  I had one head replaced under warranty.  I wasn't wavy, but it had a slight slope to it.  The second head I got was straight.  I could not tell a difference in the way they shaved.  I sold it because it did not work for me, but the guy who bought it loves it.  I replaced it with an Above The Tie M2.  It is very similar to the Weber efficiency wise, but less aggressive.  Of course, I have read other reviews that say the ATT is more aggressive.

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 06-28-2015, 05:54 PM
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(06-28-2015, 04:18 PM)chamm Wrote: Don't forget LA Shaving Soap Company. Although they come from the same machine shop as Wolfman, the BBS-1 is LASSC exclusive. It is more expensive than a Wolfman, but it is the #1 razor in my collection.

I just read that is going from 225.00 to 299.00.  All I could do was laugh, that's a big one time hike for just a single head and handle.

I'm on the waiting list, but for 299.00, not sure what I'm going to do.

Of course, this is just my opinion and when you have a collection like I do, I become more attentive to detail than hype.

It is a nice looking razor for sure Wink

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 06-28-2015, 06:03 PM
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(06-28-2015, 05:54 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(06-28-2015, 04:18 PM)chamm Wrote: Don't forget LA Shaving Soap Company. Although they come from the same machine shop as Wolfman, the BBS-1 is LASSC exclusive. It is more expensive than a Wolfman, but it is the #1 razor in my collection.

I just read that is going from 225.00 to 299.00.  All I could do was laugh, that's a big one time hike for just a single head and handle.

I'm on the waiting list, but for 299.00, not sure what I'm going to do.

Of course, this is just my opinion and when you have a collection like I do, I become more attentive to detail than hype.

It is a nice looking razor for sure Wink

Just remember those prices are Canadian dollars so those aren't the true prices paid here in the US.  Smile

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 06-28-2015, 06:09 PM
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(06-28-2015, 06:03 PM)sir_mike Wrote:
(06-28-2015, 05:54 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(06-28-2015, 04:18 PM)chamm Wrote: Don't forget LA Shaving Soap Company. Although they come from the same machine shop as Wolfman, the BBS-1 is LASSC exclusive. It is more expensive than a Wolfman, but it is the #1 razor in my collection.

I just read that is going from 225.00 to 299.00.  All I could do was laugh, that's a big one time hike for just a single head and handle.

I'm on the waiting list, but for 299.00, not sure what I'm going to do.

Of course, this is just my opinion and when you have a collection like I do, I become more attentive to detail than hype.

It is a nice looking razor for sure Wink

Just remember those prices are Canadian dollars so those aren't the true prices paid here in the US.  Smile

I believe those prices are in USD.  I know Wolfmans are quoted in CND, but the ones from LA are in USD if I understood John correctly Wink

I hope you are right, heck yeah, lol...

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 06-28-2015, 06:09 PM
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The $225 price is USD, not Canadian. If you get on the wait list before July 1st, he will honor the $225 price.

I hate to say this, but it is a steal at $225. It's absolutely worth $299. :-D

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 06-28-2015, 06:14 PM
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I find 225.00 more in par with quality stainless razors, for a single piece, not multi pieces.  For me is just a tool, not an investment, so I'm more practical.

But, value is subjective, so people are going to pay it if they believe it is worth the 299.00.  

Who knows, I may or may not pay it, I have to see how I feel the day the become available Wink

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 06-28-2015, 06:18 PM
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Just speaking about the difficulty of the machine work that goes into a BBS-1, and the skill required, it is definitely worth $299. However, I acknowledge that is a lot of money for a shaving implement.

Look at it this way, if you use it every day for a year, it's less than $1 per shave. :-D

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 06-28-2015, 06:19 PM
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300USD can be around $420CAD after conversion and taxes (PST & GST)

It's about $270-300 more then I'm willing to pay for a razor.

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 06-28-2015, 06:21 PM
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I mean that justification in terms of: If I wanted a skilled machinist to make me a part for an airplane, for example. If the piece were similar in complexity and materials to the BBS-1, $300 would be a fair price.

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 06-28-2015, 06:21 PM
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(06-28-2015, 06:18 PM)chamm Wrote: Just speaking about the difficulty of the machine work that goes into a BBS-1, and the skill required, it is definitely worth $299. However, I acknowledge that is a lot of money for a shaving implement.

Look at it this way, if you use it every day for a year, it's less than $1 per shave. :-D

+1, the design of BBS1 is just awesome and must require much more precision and skills

I love my OC Tradere as well as Ikon OC LE #9 brushed stainless steel. The quality In Both is great

Ikon LE#9, Tradere OC #136,Wolfman SB and BBS1 side by side
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 06-28-2015, 06:28 PM
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Granted, it looks nice, but is made by the same guy, so the precision and the skills are the same. I'm sure he is not going to make a substandard product.

Thanks for the pictures.

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