07-05-2015, 10:49 AM
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I have a pit bull, you guys can find the thread on how I got my boy but anyway on to the topic.  I have a male pit bull, the dog didn't come to me as a pup and I haven't had him that long.  Anyhow the dog is good wife my wife and kids so he stayed.

Last couple of days I've heard my boy growling and barking and walked out to see a German Shepherd coming up to my fence and pen messing with my dog.

This morning my boy had the dog in our fenced in yard, outside of the pen,  he had left the gate t the fence open slightly and the German Shepherd  came into the back yard.  My dog doing what pits are famous for gets between  my boy and the other dog.

My dog did not run and attack the other dog he stood in front of my son and as the dog got close he barked and growled, my son yelled more me so I came outside, I called my dog but he would not leave me sons side as the other dog was barking and growling.

I told me son to get over to me and as he ran the other dog tool a step toward me boy and my dog reacted.  After a maybe 20 seconds my pit turned the dog lose and let him up off the ground and the other dog ran off and my dog came to me as I called him.

As a pit bull owner I know my dog is under the microscope so do you other owners of dogs take precautions like have your dog on a muzzle or carry a break stick if you have your dog in public?  I a thinking of getting a break stick but the association with them kind of makes it look bad.  

My dog was 100%protecting my son,  I have a 2 year old and when I pick her up my dog watches me like a hawk I know he would die for my kids if he had to...He's a great watch dog I believe he was mistreated before I got him but now that we have bonded he is not human aggressive at all.  He's not really dog aggressive either as he's been around other dogs and they were fine, I don't want it to sound like he's a terrorized because he's not he was protecting my son.

My biggest fear and this has happened to a family members dog, a dog approached my cousins root and started snarling and growling at the rott my cousin  had full control of his rott but the other dog got lose from its owner and my rott killed the other dog, in turn the rott was put to sleep because of this, what do owners of pits, roots, doberman etc.  Do not necessarily to keep their dog safe  but to prepare for a situation like I just said.

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 07-05-2015, 11:15 AM
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The muzzle will also create negative perceptions... In some jurisdictions, even if you're well meaning, a break stick can be probable cause to suspect of dog fighting. You're not going to get into problems with the law if the GSD gets hurt while on your property.

As a pitbull owner (or any bully breed) the blame is going to be placed on you should anything happen in most situations. I would not take your dog to dog parks because of this. I would also use a leash in public 100% of the time. No matter how friendly your dog is and how obedient it is, it is still a dog and a pitbull at that--bully breeds can be very stubborn and will ignore you at critical times. Again, you will be blamed and could even face legal consequences. 

Never leave your dog unsupervised either. Even in your yard, many pit bulls are very friendly towards people and will go with anyone. Dog fighters will kidnap them and use them as bait dogs-- they tape their mouths shut and give them to another dog for "practice."

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 07-05-2015, 11:21 AM
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Yea he stays in a locked pen in a locked gate, my son gets him out and plays with him. The public really really needs to learn there are game pit Bulls and there are pit bull there is a difference. I was socializing him with other dogs but our other own passed away 2 weeks ago.

I was in an enforcement for a little while people don't know of German Shepherd so have a stronger bite force that a pit bull and the ones I've seen and been around have been far far more aggressive. A pit bull just has game as its called or courage that drive to never quit no matter how much pain it is in, they do not have locking jaws, they do feel pain, mine is submissive to our cat, they just have the hearts of lions.

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 07-05-2015, 11:29 AM
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I had friends that used to own them until they attacked their kids.  Good luck with your pooch buddy.

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 07-05-2015, 11:33 AM
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Pit Bulls at one time were THE most popular breed in the US. If you look at statistics most dog bites are NOT from the breeds with reputations. Pits are in trouble because of the many dogfighting operations that have flooded the population with unsocialised dogs bred to be aggressive. I was lucky to receive my first dog handling training by no less than Lee Duncan, owner of Rin Tin Tin. Mr Duncan ENCOURAGED everyone in my grandparent's Chatsworth neighborhood to pet his dogs, let him smell them and become part of his world. This ranged from Clark Gable and my Grandfather drinking beer with a truckdriver on the front porch. 
I later received a Belgian Mallinois from one of his friends. Suzy was a drop out from shutzenhund training and STILL incredibly trained. She took off once for unknown reasons and a 5 Y/O boy brought her home holding onto her ear! Two days later a convicted burglar,rapist was found in a empty house- sort of chewed up and almost bled out and  these red pawprints
that matched Suzy's Eusa_whistle
It's A DOG. remember that, keep it on a leash and SOCIALIZE,SOCIALIZE,SOCIALIZE with everyone you can. Make them part of it's world.

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 07-05-2015, 11:47 AM
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I'm 56 owned Dogs all my life and mostly Terriers and all Bull breeds English Bulls Staffordshire Bulls and Pit Bulls no matter how well they are treated have the genetic imprint within them to cause absolute havoc without any signs they can just switch it on, now American Pit Bulls and pit Bull types are ban in the UK, but make no mistake Staffordshire Bull Terriers although smaller are also a breed of dog that require a very responsible ownership and should never be let off the lead in public places espesally with other Dogs, I've seen it far to often after they have killed or harm another Dog the owner saying I'm very sorry he's never done that before. PS I walk my Dog everywhere and carry a EDC and what I tell anyone If a Bull Terrier type breed gets hold of your Dog don't waste your time trying to pull them apart becuase your Dog will end up dead It's not nice but use that knife to save your Dogs life.

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 07-05-2015, 11:51 AM
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(07-05-2015, 11:29 AM)hrfdez Wrote: I had friends that used to own them until they attacked their kids.  Good luck with your pooch buddy.

Statistically, a person is hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a parent than their dog. Good luck with your mom, guy.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

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 07-05-2015, 01:21 PM
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Cocker Spaniel's are responsible for more bites per year than any other dog. Bigger breeds just get the bad rap. The fact the GSD was on your property unleashed and in an aggressive manner you would have been fine. 

As stated NEVER have him in public with no leash. Work with him as often as you can and work to keep him socialized. The fact he was there protecting your boy in the short time you have had him says a lot but I still would keep an extra eye on him due to how you came about him. 

I agree on muzzles and sticks not being in a positive light. Continues to portray the image it's needed with all Pitts and bully breeds.

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 07-05-2015, 01:31 PM
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I have several several friends who have had pit Bulls around kids and the dogs like mine protect those kids. The reason the pit bull bite rate is so high is because there are so many, and with the media stigma bulldogs have I'd someone gets bit by a yellow lab, no big deal bit let a bulldog do it and it's all over the news.

Bulldogs just shake when they bite nothing more nothing less their bite is not super human. For those wondering a break stick is a stick inserted sideways I'm the dogs mouth and twisted to break the dogs grip. It is only safe to do with a pitbull if you try it with another breed you will get bit.

Pitbull were bred as farm dogs first and are known for being good with kids, they were used for bull baiting but so we're other bulldogs.

As a pitbull or any dog owner for that matter a dog is a pack animal and you must be alpha male and have your dog respect you that goes for any dog, but a pitbull has to have a firm owner. As far as a dog turn ING on the owner well we need a backstory for this, was the dog used to being able to roam free and the put on a chain? Is a female in heat somewhere, or did the owner abuse his dog??? People are the cause of a dogs behavior, all dogs come from wolves so every dog will have traits of its heritage, to say a pitbull knows it was bred for fighting and it's always in the back of its mind is a big assumption in my opinion.

I have 2 kids and I would never let my kids be harmed if I could prevent it I would never of brought a dog around them I didn't trust or was that good with them, my pit is the loyalist dog I've ever owned and I've had dogs my whole life.

My situation was a dog came in my dogs back yard ok what dog won't fight over that? My male chow killed a dog in front of my eyes because our bitch was in heat, I assume theres a dog in heat around my home. Pitbull are not demons thinking of estimate g your children all the time and just fighting the urge, they are the most misunderstood dog in the world but if you get past that and learn by experience whether than what you read you would see it for yourself

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 07-05-2015, 01:37 PM
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(07-05-2015, 11:51 AM)fram773 Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:29 AM)hrfdez Wrote: I had friends that used to own them until they attacked their kids.  Good luck with your pooch buddy.

Statistically, a person is hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a parent than their dog. Good luck with your mom, guy.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

I don't care for that type of dog, I'm just sharing my friends experience, you don't have to like it Sleepy

My name is Hector, not guy!  Classy......

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 07-05-2015, 01:41 PM
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(07-05-2015, 01:37 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:51 AM)fram773 Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:29 AM)hrfdez Wrote: I had friends that used to own them until they attacked their kids.  Good luck with your pooch buddy.

Statistically, a person is hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a parent than their dog. Good luck with your mom, guy.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

I don't care for that type of dog, I'm just sharing my friends experience, you don't have to like it Sleepy

My name is Hector, not guy!  Classy......
I don't particularly like them either-- I own a different bully breed, but the OP is asking for help not snide remarks.

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 07-05-2015, 01:51 PM
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[Image: s1f3Zc8.jpg] Another option

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 07-05-2015, 02:28 PM
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(07-05-2015, 01:51 PM)kav Wrote: [Image: s1f3Zc8.jpg] Another option
I don't know about that one Kav. Ever watch that show River Monsters?  Sad

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 07-05-2015, 03:16 PM
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We had Rottweilers, then a Cane Corso. Just fantastic dogs BTW. But I was definitely the alpha dog and they knew it. Long story made short, now we have a mixed breed terrier and a pure bred AmStaff.

I'm still the alpha dog. He's a wuss. All bluff and nothing to back it up. But I don't know what would happen if something were to happen to me. I do know that when I'm sleeping he's ultra vigilant.

How do I control him? We're in rural Maine and it's just the neighbors and us. They like Shadow as much as we do and he knows them quite well. If someone comes to our door he stays inside; not for their protection so much, as I don't want him to get to know anyone other than the UPS driver, the mailman and such. He's friendly enough, but I just don't want it. Yes, he was socialized.

When friends come over he's on a leash but only to keep him from jumping up to say "Hi". In a few minutes he's all calmed down and off the leash.

It doesn't surprise me that your terrier got between your boy and the threat. At one time they were the nanny dog and a boys best friend. Buster Brown, our gang comedy, the RCA dog, all AmStaffs. At one time (early 20th century) they were THE DOG for a child to have to keep them safe.

BTW, there are at least 5 breeds of "pit bulls" not just one breed. Lots of folks don't know that and think that "pit bull" means one breed of dog.

Excellent dogs, but one needs to be in charge with any powerful breed. In the event that a human isn't in charge the dog takes on that role. That's definitely not what you want to happen. Most people are NOT folks who should have Rotts, Cane Corsos, or pit bulls. Yeah, I know they think they are capable, but without training the owner to be the alpha dog in the pack that's just not the case.

My wife would tell you that she's #2 in the pack, but the dogs don't recognize the marriage license. I tell her that's she's the #3 or #4 dog in the pack. She doesn't believe me, but that's the way the dogs see it. They do however know that she's under my protection. She just doesn't get it and won't become the #2 dog in the pack no matter how much I try to educate her. It was a problem with the Cane corso, but we worked to fix that. Since then she refuses to see it as a problem with our dogs today. The problem is that she reads too much BS in her dog magazines and doesn't listen  enough to me. Dogs can be trained, but not all people can be. She wants their  love, as though they are human.

I have their respect, and by virtue of that, and an even hand, I also have their love or as much love as they can feel. It's no accident that they follow me around and sleep next to me when I'm in bed (they're on the floor). Still the wife doesn't understand. She does complain,"Gee, they never come to me when I sit on the floor.". You'd think she'd listen to me. Nah, doesn't happen.

Anyway, one needs to be the alpha dog. Most people have no clue what that means.

Many years ago our then insurance company contacted us to tell us that since we had "a prohibited breed" (rotties) that they were dropping our insurance. I contacted them and told them that we'd had them for 20 years and their just now finding out constituted no increased risk, so basically screw you. Drop us at your peril. I further informed the person I discussed this with that our dogs weren't the problem, that Pekinese bite more people than rotties do. She told me that she'd check on that, I told her "You do that, but I don't BS anyone, I have my facts down.".

2 weeks later she called me to ask what I wanted to let them go (seriously). In the course of our discussion she let on that she had indeed checked on Pekinese and I was in possession of the facts. They went their way and I went mine ultimately. I wish them all of the bad will in the world. Terrible company that once I knew what they were about I wanted no part of them anymore. I certainly wasn't going to send them any more money. Just a terrible company. Headquartered in Machias, Maine. I hope they went belly up.

But by now I'm far off subject.

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 07-05-2015, 03:32 PM
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(07-05-2015, 01:37 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:51 AM)fram773 Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:29 AM)hrfdez Wrote: I had friends that used to own them until they attacked their kids.  Good luck with your pooch buddy.

Statistically, a person is hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a parent than their dog. Good luck with your mom, guy.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

I don't care for that type of dog, I'm just sharing my friends experience, you don't have to like it Sleepy

My name is Hector, not guy!  Classy......
My names not buddy,  but I didn't get defensive my statements are facts...BTW how many stitches did the kids get when attacked?  What measures were taken to get the dog off,  was it shot dead euthanized or gave away?  Did the dog bite the kids or did it just growl or bark and they perceived it as an attack?

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 07-05-2015, 03:36 PM
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(07-05-2015, 03:32 PM)Otis375 Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 01:37 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 11:51 AM)fram773 Wrote: Statistically, a person is hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a parent than their dog. Good luck with your mom, guy.

http://www.realpitbull.com/perspective.html

I don't care for that type of dog, I'm just sharing my friends experience, you don't have to like it Sleepy

My name is Hector, not guy!  Classy......
My names not buddy,  but I didn't get defensive my statements are facts...

What are you talking about?  I wasn't even talking to you.  I shared with you what happened to my friend.

Whatever, good luck Otis Sleepy. Done with this one.  I'm here to talk about shaving not dogs, sorry for my input.

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 07-05-2015, 03:42 PM
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(07-05-2015, 03:36 PM)hrfdez Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 03:32 PM)Otis375 Wrote:
(07-05-2015, 01:37 PM)hrfdez Wrote: I don't care for that type of dog, I'm just sharing my friends experience, you don't have to like it Sleepy

My name is Hector, not guy!  Classy......
My names not buddy,  but I didn't get defensive my statements are facts...

What are you talking about?  I wasn't even talking to you.  I shared with you what happened to my friend.

Whatever, good luck Otis Sleepy. Done with this one.  I'm here to talk about shaving not dogs, sorry for my input.

I was just asking a question, If your going to contribute to a thread then questions help.  I take it the only knowledge you have of pit Bulls is from hear say and not first hand, which is part of why the dogs have the reputation they do.  A lot of "dog attacks"  or at least claims of them(not saying your lying) when  I was in law enforcement were just a dog barking or growling  at someone, and the person thought the dog was about to eat them alive.

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 07-05-2015, 06:11 PM
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