07-26-2015, 01:39 PM
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I only have one product on my wanted list - but never really got around to buying it.

Now I feel it's about time to make a move.

I consider the faux Tortoise size 14 High Mountain White badger, but need a bit of help before I pull the trigger.

About me:
I face lather all the time, I use superlather mix of a soap and cream
I like brushes with soft tips and good backbone.
Have bought and sold the Kent BK8 twice, but in the end just had to realisize a floppy brush is not for me.

Not that I can't enjoy a soft brush - I certainly can - but I need it to have at least a bit of backbone for me to build a nice lather with it on my face.

The Plisson 14 is 22 mm and 59 mm loft - normally I would run screaming away from such specs.
It sound like a brush only aimed at bowl latherers.

Face latherer that has owned a Plisson HMW size 14, please chime in !
What do you think of this brush ?

Is it too floppy or does it have a nice face feel with a little bit of backbone ?

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 07-26-2015, 02:48 PM
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Plisson HMW current "3 band" has no soft tips, has many black hairs which cause scrichy, YMMV of course..Size 14 I think some floppy.

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 07-27-2015, 02:54 AM
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(07-26-2015, 02:48 PM)lu20vt Wrote: Plisson HMW current "3 band" has no soft tips, has many black hairs which cause scrichy, YMMV of course..Size 14 I think some floppy.

So it's a scritchy yet floppy brush, priced at €/$ 360  Dodgy

Sounds like a brush I MUST own  Wink

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 07-27-2015, 03:15 AM
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  • Andrew
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Why size 14, Claus? Size 12 has the same diameter at a shorter loft (22/56). I don't own a size 14, but I do regularly face lather with a size 12 HMW. If you have any concern about floppiness, and you are a dedicated face latherer, I would easily recommend the size 12 over the 14.

I would not characterize current 3-band HMW as scritchy, but that's just me. The hair is very resilient, and has excellent backbone.


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 07-27-2015, 03:30 AM
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(07-27-2015, 03:15 AM)Andrew Wrote: Why size 14, Claus? Size 12 has the same diameter at a shorter loft (22/56). I don't own a size 14, but I do regularly face lather with a size 12 HMW. If you have any concern about floppiness, and you are a dedicated face latherer, I would easily recommend the size 12 over the 14.

I would not characterize current 3-band HMW as scritchy, but that's just me. The hair is very resilient, and has excellent backbone.


Andrew

I'm a Plisson badger rookie, thought 14 also was bigger in knot size.
Thanks for informing me and educating me. Much appreciated !

Will now instead consider size 12

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 07-27-2015, 03:46 AM
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For Facelathering Size 12 is better  IMO. Dodgy

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 07-27-2015, 04:51 AM
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my advice would be to skip the 14 and go with either a 12 or 16. If you like larger brushes the 16 is a wonderful brush, my all time favorite. A 12 is nice too but smaller. The 14 that I had was the floppiest brush I've owned. A Kent BK 8 would seem to have strong backbone compared to it. Every Plisson I've owned had a bit of scritch when new and that largely disappeared after a few lathers.

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 07-27-2015, 04:53 AM
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(07-27-2015, 02:54 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(07-26-2015, 02:48 PM)lu20vt Wrote: Plisson HMW current "3 band" has no soft tips, has many black hairs which cause scrichy, YMMV of course..Size 14 I think some floppy.

So it's a scritchy yet floppy brush, priced at €/$ 360  Dodgy

Sounds like a brush I MUST own  Wink
24  I'll take two at that price!

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 07-27-2015, 05:26 AM
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(07-27-2015, 03:15 AM)Andrew Wrote: Why size 14, Claus? Size 12 has the same diameter at a shorter loft (22/56). I don't own a size 14, but I do regularly face lather with a size 12 HMW. If you have any concern about floppiness, and you are a dedicated face latherer, I would easily recommend the size 12 over the 14.

I would not characterize current 3-band HMW as scritchy, but that's just me. The hair is very resilient, and has excellent backbone.

I agree with Andrew on the recommendation of the 12 over the 14.  The increased loft gives even these smaller diameter brushes a pretty good footprint on the face, so there is no need to get a really large diameter knot.  Plisson brushes are kind of hit and miss in regard to what you get... what I mean by that is I wouldn't order one without being able to see a few pictures of the actual brush you were ordering.  Many of the HMW brushes I have seen recently have abundant black tips and if you'd like to avoid that you've got to see what you are buying before you actually shell out the cash. I know many people feel that the black tips produce a scritchy sensation but with the increased loft of Plisson brushes I feel like this is greatly diminished. Bottom line, try to get a look at the actual brush you are going to buy.
Plisson brushes are great, just very different from your usual preferences Claus. But I think that once you spend some good quality time with one you'll enjoy it and appreciate the brush's unique qualities.

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 07-27-2015, 06:38 AM
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Now days ,It's almost impossible to get all white and no black tips. The days of good all white tips and no black are over

I owned size 12 but the backbone wasn't good enough for me . If you like chubbies and MF brushes than you may be disappointed with the backbone.

I ordered size 20 and will review as soon as I get one later in the week. I looked at 4 brushes direct plisson and each had few black hair which may not be an issue as described by Nathan above


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 07-27-2015, 08:25 AM
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My impressions regarding this brush : http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=73
Not worthy of its price.

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 07-27-2015, 08:26 AM
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However , this one , is one of the best brushes I have tried , maybe it was the best of all badger brushes I have tried.But the HMW hair is totally different than the current one : http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=6138

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 07-27-2015, 08:29 AM
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(07-27-2015, 04:51 AM)AFG008 Wrote: Imy advice would be to skip the 14 and go with either a 12 or 16. If you like larger brushes the 16 is a wonderful brush, my all time favorite. A 12 is nice too but smaller. The 14 that I had was the floppiest brush I've owned. A Kent BK 8 would seem to have strong backbone compared to it. Every Plisson I've owned had a bit of scritch when new and that largely disappeared after a few lathers.

Hey,

You can only get the HMW in sizes up to 14.

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 07-27-2015, 08:33 AM
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(07-27-2015, 08:29 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(07-27-2015, 04:51 AM)AFG008 Wrote: Imy advice would be to skip the 14 and go with either a 12 or 16. If you like larger brushes the 16 is a wonderful brush, my all time favorite. A 12 is nice too but smaller. The 14 that I had was the floppiest brush I've owned. A Kent BK 8 would seem to have strong backbone compared to it. Every Plisson I've owned had a bit of scritch when new and that largely disappeared after a few lathers.

Hey,

You can only get the HMW in sizes up to 14.

Are you trying to buy direct from Plisson? Maybe another vendor has the larger diameter knots? I've purchased them up to size 20 in the past.


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 07-27-2015, 10:22 AM
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Size 16 and larger only come in the genuine horn handles, but should be available. I recommend starting with a size 12, though. And I agree that you will want to see a photo of the brush you plan to purchase.


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 07-27-2015, 10:41 AM
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(07-27-2015, 10:22 AM)Andrew Wrote: Size 16 and larger only come in the genuine horn handles, but should be available. I recommend starting with a size 12, though. And I agree that you will want to see a photo of the brush you plan to purchase.


Andrew

Yes of course, thanks for the reminder.  I forgot for a moment that we were talking about the tortoise.

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 07-27-2015, 04:42 PM
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I have this brush in HMW 12. Some people say theirs are too floppy and scritchy.  I would argue that mine is neither. It is super soft and only marginally floppy. Which is expected with the 3 band. I'm a two band kind of guy so I will be listing mine on BST for what I recently bought it for there.  When I actually become able to haha

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 07-29-2015, 07:41 AM
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Claus, Sounds like you need an AoS Silvertip brush. Still the softest tips of any brush I've touched and sounds like it has double the backbone of Plisson (not a ton though), and will save you $100.
(I expect everyone to ignore this post)

On the left is my AoS Silvertip. On the right is a Shavemac D01 3-band.
No comparison in terms of whiteness, scritchlessness, and softness. The AoS wins by miles. The Shavemac D01 does win for density, however... but is that really a surprise?
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 07-29-2015, 07:49 AM
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(07-29-2015, 07:41 AM)Nero Wrote: Claus, Sounds like you need an AoS Silvertip brush. Still the softest tips of any brush I've touched and sounds like it has double the backbone of Plisson (not a ton though), and will save you $100.
(I expect everyone to ignore this post)

Any idea who makes these? Looks similar to Thater knots to me!

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 07-29-2015, 07:54 AM
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(07-29-2015, 07:49 AM)1SOAP Wrote:
(07-29-2015, 07:41 AM)Nero Wrote: Claus, Sounds like you need an AoS Silvertip brush. Still the softest tips of any brush I've touched and sounds like it has double the backbone of Plisson (not a ton though), and will save you $100.
(I expect everyone to ignore this post)

Any idea who makes these? Looks similar to Thater knots to me!

Well, I thought Shavemac used their D01 hair to make AoS brushes, but that can't be further from the truth. (I've update my post above while you were writing yours).
The AoS brushes are made in Germany.
I've seen multiple people say a company Victoria makes their brushes, but who knows. I cannot verify or deny.

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