08-09-2015, 06:45 AM
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This is a question I've wondered about for awhile. I'm extremely careful with my brushes and maybe a tad neurotic in their care.. I've read from different manufacturers that shaking or flicking the water out is an acceptable practice. My question is this: how strong is the glue that holds a knot in place. I know their is variables like glue rings machined into the handle and so on. I'm curious out of the M&F, Simpson, Rooney owners, has anyone ever had a failure? If so were you able to identify the cause??

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 08-09-2015, 06:58 AM
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Good question. I've wondered the same thing, mostly at that time when I flick the water out of my brushes.

I've been a fairly aggressive flicker and I've never had a problem. I'm slightly gentler with it today, and spend a bit more time drying the brush on my shave towel and gently squeezing the knot between the towel. I suspect that the combination of squeezing the knot too close  to the handle, and with too much force, could act to pull the knot out.

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 08-09-2015, 07:18 AM
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Never had a problem yet. Owner of over 150 badger brushes here.

I gently yet firmly shake my brush 10-12 times and wipe it clean with tissue paper after my shave. Stand it on its base. Don't use brush stands since they are unnecessary.

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 08-09-2015, 07:18 AM
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I am not a hard flicker on my brushes.  I mostly just flick a couple of times and just towel strop a few times.  I'm sure the glue used on these brushes is pretty good and it will last if well taken care of.

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 08-09-2015, 07:20 AM
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  • Agravic
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Agreed.

No issues here over several years, with multiple brands.

Post-shave, I rinse the brush, squeeze, and then shake/flick briskly several times before allowing to dry on base.

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 08-09-2015, 07:22 AM
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Go on EBAY and look at all of those funky old brushes with knots resembling Gumby. They were made with glues no modern brushmaker would bother with. If the manufacturer does it right the knot will not come to naught.

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 08-09-2015, 07:55 AM
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Yes, I doubt with modern glues there would be much of a problem with flicking a brush to rid it of excess water. I would be more concerned with soaking the brush up to and past the handle in very hot water. Over time I would suspect that it could soften even epoxy glues enough that when you go to flick it the knot could fall out. 

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 08-09-2015, 08:30 AM
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In 53 years of wet shaving and aggressively shaking/flicking the water out of the knot, I've never had a problem. I imagine that not doing it, i.e. not letting the knot adequately dry between shaves, would be more of a problem than flicking the water out after the shave.

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 08-09-2015, 08:34 AM
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Regarding stands, I use them not for drying purposes (I dry them handle down bristles up) but rather for storage.


[Image: TsomcA9.jpg]

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 08-09-2015, 08:41 AM
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Not had a problem with any of the 31 brushes I own.

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 08-09-2015, 08:56 AM
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I have until recently flicked the water out of my brushes with no problem but did have a knot come out of one of my semogue brushes recently. Since then I have been gently squeezing the water out and brushing a few times on a towel before hanging to dry.

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 08-12-2015, 07:37 AM
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I am a hard flicker. None of a dozen of my brushes ever had a knot falling out of the handle because of hard flickering.

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 08-12-2015, 07:42 AM
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(08-09-2015, 08:56 AM)hook777 Wrote: I have until recently flicked the water out of my brushes with no problem but did have a knot come out of one of my semogue brushes recently. Since then I have been gently squeezing the water out and brushing a few times on a towel before hanging to dry.

Now when you have mentioned a Semogue. Last winter, My 830 has not been used for a month or so, and I I have noticed the knot could be moved a bit inside of the handle. Low humidity  in the winter time made the knot shrink a bit. That could make the brush vulnerable to hard shaking. Once it was used, the knot was back to normal.

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 08-12-2015, 08:20 AM
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(08-09-2015, 07:22 AM)kav Wrote: Go on EBAY and look at all of those funky old brushes with knots resembling Gumby. They were made with glues no modern brushmaker would bother with. If the manufacturer does it right the knot will not come to naught.

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 08-16-2015, 03:56 AM
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(08-12-2015, 08:20 AM)cosmicshaver Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 07:22 AM)kav Wrote: Go on EBAY and look at all of those funky old brushes with knots resembling Gumby. They were made with glues no modern brushmaker would bother with. If the manufacturer does it right the knot will not come to naught.

[Image: Z1tXmg9.gif]

+1. Good point.

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 08-16-2015, 11:30 AM
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(08-09-2015, 08:34 AM)GloryUprising Wrote: Regarding stands, I use them not for drying purposes (I dry them handle down bristles up) but rather for storage.


[Image: TsomcA9.jpg]

Where did you get that great stand?  I definitely need one of those.

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 08-17-2015, 08:33 PM
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I'm a fairly aggressive flicker, I don't baby nor abuse my brushes, but if the knot falls out there are a wide variety of glues or epoxies to remedy the problem... if the knot fell apart, there are a wide variety of Vendors selling knots.

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 08-18-2015, 02:45 AM
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I'm an aggressive flicker as well. Haven't had any issues as a result.

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 08-18-2015, 03:31 PM
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(08-16-2015, 11:30 AM)David Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 08:34 AM)GloryUprising Wrote: Regarding stands, I use them not for drying purposes (I dry them handle down bristles up) but rather for storage.


[Image: TsomcA9.jpg]

Where did you get that great stand?  I definitely need one of those.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004H1XU96

The brush stands themselves are from here and there, mostly EJ and Plission stands.  The storage cases stack.

Be warned they do not have a 'back' (eg they only have 2 sides and the top and bottom 'walls') to them which is perfect for me but some people were surprised with this.

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 08-18-2015, 04:38 PM
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(08-18-2015, 03:31 PM)GloryUprising Wrote:
(08-16-2015, 11:30 AM)David Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 08:34 AM)GloryUprising Wrote: Regarding stands, I use them not for drying purposes (I dry them handle down bristles up) but rather for storage.


[Image: TsomcA9.jpg]

Where did you get that great stand?  I definitely need one of those.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004H1XU96

The brush stands themselves are from here and there, mostly EJ and Plission stands.  The storage cases stack.

Be warned they do not have a 'back' (eg they only have 2 sides and the top and bottom 'walls') to them which is perfect for me but some people were surprised with this.
Ahhhh, yes, this is exactly what I need, and at a price that I can afford.  I think they will be the right size for my countertop.  The dimensions aren't noted, however.  Could you tell me the size?

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