06-25-2012, 04:12 AM
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No matter how long I work my brush on my face after loading it with MWF, I can't get the lather to become creamy and non-bubbly like Tabac or most of the other soaps I've used.

I'm starting to wonder if it's perhaps normal for it to be very bubbly. Is it? If not, what should I do to get rid of those bubbles and get a creamier lather?

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 06-25-2012, 04:20 AM
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MWF is much more prone to this & why it can be finicky to lather for some. I'd suggest introducing the water slower & trying not to over-aerate the mix.

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 06-25-2012, 04:26 AM
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  • Dave
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Soak the puck with water before you start while you soak your brush. Keep a medium wet brush. Load for at least a minute before you go to a face or a bowl. Upon going to a bowl, add water (more than you think you'll need). MWF loves water and will respond without the bubbles and suds with enough water. There's a really good MWF Lathering video that Teiste posted a while back for MWF but I cannot find it right now.

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 06-25-2012, 04:30 AM
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After much thought on this point I've come to the conclusion that MWF is just a really hard soap to pick up from the puck. You really have to work the brush in there (especially if it's a soft one) and go to the face only after you've spent at least twice as long on the puck as you think you should.

Believe me - once you've mastered it, it really winds up being a nice soap. Few products make my skin feel as good as this soap.

One other observation - continuous use over several days/weeks makes the soap slightly softer and it becomes easier to pick up the soap.

MWF really rewards loyalty.

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 06-25-2012, 05:04 AM
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(06-25-2012, 04:30 AM)yohannrjm Wrote: After much thought on this point I've come to the conclusion that MWF is just a really hard soap to pick up from the puck. You really have to work the brush in there (especially if it's a soft one) and go to the face only after you've spent at least twice as long on the puck as you think you should.

Believe me - once you've mastered it, it really winds up being a nice soap. Few products make my skin feel as good as this soap.

One other observation - continuous use over several days/weeks makes the soap slightly softer and it becomes easier to pick up the soap.

MWF really rewards loyalty.

I started to respond but this says it all.

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 06-25-2012, 06:14 AM
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As is often said, "use more product", as in load the brush longer. Once the brush is adequately loaded, keep adding water a little at a time until the lather is just right! Smile

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 06-25-2012, 07:34 AM
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  • Teiste
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Yes,another vote to use more product.Load the brush with the soap,for,at least,40 seconds,before face or bowl lathering.Also,dont add too much water at once,but a couple drops everytime time.I can make really thick lather from Mitchell's Wool Fat when I face lather and I made a video about it (in spanish,sorry,but you can see how much I load the brush and how thick is the lather I made) :


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 06-25-2012, 07:48 AM
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Rub the puck on your face. Works every time (for me).

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 06-25-2012, 09:15 AM
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I grated my MWF puck when I got it, and haven't had problems with the lather since day one. I believe loading MWF is deceiving like the Cade I started using recently. After loading the brush for 20-30 seconds, the creamy lather makes you think it's loaded enough, especially if you start with a wetter brush. But then you need to double the loading time, and you'll be fine.

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 06-25-2012, 03:56 PM
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There are very few lather problems that using more product doesn't solve.

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 06-25-2012, 06:44 PM
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+4 or 5 for loading more product; when I use MWF, it's at minimum a 2 minute load... also seems to work better with a boar brush

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 06-25-2012, 07:26 PM
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(06-25-2012, 03:56 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: There are very few lather problems that using more product doesn't solve.

+ 100 to this. Never hear of anyone with lather problems when they have too much product on the brush.

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 06-25-2012, 07:39 PM
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I spent a long time loading my brush -- at least two minutes. So I don't think the problem has to do with me using too little soap.

To be honest with you guys, I figured that too much water might have been the cause of the bubbles which is why I've been making sure to use less water when using MWF.

Could it be that too little water is causing the bubbles to appear? I never imagined that too little water would cause that.

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 06-25-2012, 07:41 PM
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  • Teiste
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(06-25-2012, 07:39 PM)Pnume Wrote: I spent a long time loading my brush -- at least two minutes. So I don't think the problem has to do with me using too little soap.

To be honest with you guys, I figured that too much water might have been the cause of the bubbles which is why I've been making sure to use less water when using MWF.

Could it be that too little water is causing the bubbles to appear? I never imagined that too little water would cause that.

I dont think so either,but just try to practice with more and less water,and see the results.
I have used this soap with very floppy brushes with no problems at all,once I learn the right amount of loading it was required.

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 06-25-2012, 07:41 PM
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(06-25-2012, 06:40 PM)Teiste Wrote:
(06-25-2012, 03:56 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: There are very few lather problems that using more product doesn't solve.

Which ones?Like hard water,you mean?

About the only problem more product won't fix is a lather that's too dry. I can't think of any others it won't make better, and that includes hard water.

Problems I can think of:

Thin lather, too bubbly
Not enough lather
Soap won't lather (hard water)
Razor Burn (could be related to #1, but no guarantee)
Lather that builds and then falls flat

And if someone wants a really superior lather, load the heck out of the brush and just hydrate it enough to get lather like cake icing. Not dry, properly hydrated, but kept very dense for the ultimate cushion and slickness.

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 06-25-2012, 08:03 PM
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(06-25-2012, 07:39 PM)Pnume Wrote: I spent a long time loading my brush -- at least two minutes. So I don't think the problem has to do with me using too little soap.

To be honest with you guys, I figured that too much water might have been the cause of the bubbles which is why I've been making sure to use less water when using MWF.

Could it be that too little water is causing the bubbles to appear? I never imagined that too little water would cause that.

I don't know if this will help. I usually rinse the puck with water. I don't soak it just rinse. Then I use a brush that has been shaken out. MWF is one of the few soaps that I use a drier brush on. Using a wet brush causes the bubbling and prolongs the loading time significantly. Also I hold the puck at an angle so any froth drops into the sink

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 06-25-2012, 08:43 PM
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To me bubbles mean air. If it's bubbly then your ratio of air to product and water is way to high. Maybe start slower and whip less so that you introduce less air into the mix.

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 06-25-2012, 09:11 PM
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(06-25-2012, 07:48 AM)CyanideMetal Wrote: Rub the puck on your face. Works every time (for me).

+1

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 06-25-2012, 09:13 PM
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Quoting yourself now Randy? Are you turning into a broken record? Tongue

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 06-25-2012, 09:32 PM
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(06-25-2012, 09:13 PM)SharpSpine Wrote: Quoting yourself now Randy? Are you turning into a broken record? Tongue

Before I kick the bucket, I will convert just one TWS to puck rubbing. Until then, my work is far from done. Wink

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