08-24-2015, 07:00 AM
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OK, I'd like some advice please.

I plan on ordering the following Shavemac brushes:

Brush 1
Silvertip
25mm dia knot
50mm loft
Fan

Brush 2
Silvertip 2-band
25mm dia knot 
50mm loft
Fan

I bowl lather 99% of the time and cannot abide ANY stritch and I like my brushes as soft as possible, but with some back-bone.  

Should I modify any of the above specs?  Will there be a worthwhile difference in the two brushes?  Thanks for your attention & advice. Paul.

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 08-24-2015, 07:04 AM
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I have that knot with a 26mm knot and the loft set at 48mm I find it perfect for soaps enough backbone with really soft tips my favourite brush.

[Image: CSC_1328_zps1mkvkb44.jpg~original]

[Image: CSC_1326_zps5whdfm6b.jpg~original]

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 08-24-2015, 07:13 AM
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If it was me, I'd go BULB on both of those knots.  If they were D01, I'd go fan.  The 2 Band Silvertip is one of the best knots I have felt, it's fabulous.

Keep in mind, most Shavemac knots can be 1-2mm larger then you order.  So if you order a 25, it may be in the 26-27mm range at the base of the knot where it comes out of the handle.

I believe Bernd (Shavemac) measures the knots at the plug.

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 08-24-2015, 07:25 AM
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(08-24-2015, 07:13 AM)Bruce Wrote: I believe Bernd (Shavemac) measures the knots at the plug.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce but isn't that the correct way the knot diameter should be measured, anyway? If you take a Chubby 2 Manchurian, for example, it's listed as having a diameter of around 26/27mm, yet measures more like 28/29 at the opening.

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 08-24-2015, 07:29 AM
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(08-24-2015, 07:13 AM)Bruce Wrote: If it was me, I'd go BULB on both of those knots.  If they were D01, I'd go fan.  The 2 Band Silvertip is one of the best knots I have felt, it's fabulous.

Keep in mind, most Shavemac knots can be 1-2mm larger then you order.  So if you order a 25, it may be in the 26-27mm range at the base of the knot where it comes out of the handle.

I believe Bernd (Shavemac) measures the knots at the plug.
Bruce is right. If  you are shooting for a particular knot/loft ratio add 1-2mm to the knot dimension. 

One of the best Shavemac's (or any brush) I own is a 2-band Silvertip 26mm nominal knot, set to 28mm effective at 56mm loft in a bulb for a 2:1 ratio. 

It is superb, has never lost a hair (no exaggeration) and is a perfect brush on all counts as a face latherer with sufficient backbone and fantastic face feel. Used it this morning in fact.

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 08-24-2015, 07:32 AM
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Paul, I haven't tried the Silvertip, only the 2-Band Silvertip. The latter will definitely be scritch-free in that spec. I had a 28x50 and had good backbone but not quite enough for me. In a Fan knot, I'd go slightly less than that 1:2 ratio, as Jamie did, also.

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 08-24-2015, 07:55 AM
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Optometrist ' Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce but isn't that the correct way the knot diameter should be measured, anyway? If you take a Chubby 2 Manchurian, for example, it's listed as having a diameter of around 26/27mm, yet measures more like 28/29 at the opening.

Yes it is. But a lot of times, brushes are sold and listed at what they are at the opening.

Shavemac knots are the same as Simpson then, just wanted to make sure the OP wasn't expecting a 24/50 knot size and be surprised when it was 26/50

All evidence has been buried. All tapes have been erased.

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 08-24-2015, 11:32 AM
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Every Shavemac brush I've ordered has been 1mm larger at the opening pretty much exactly.

25x50 fan shape brushes would be excellent for what you are looking for.  I think the fan will work very well for bowl lathering unless it's a very small bowl.

Both brushes should be soft, but the 3-band is going to have more give and flex than the 2-band which will be a bit more springy and stiff.

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 08-24-2015, 01:21 PM
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(08-24-2015, 07:55 AM)Bruce Wrote:
Optometrist Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce but isn't that the correct way the knot diameter should be measured, anyway? If you take a Chubby 2 Manchurian, for example, it's listed as having a diameter of around 26/27mm, yet measures more like 28/29 at the opening.

Yes it is.  But a lot of times, brushes are sold and listed at what they are at the opening.

Shavemac knots are the same as Simpson then, just wanted to make sure the OP wasn't expecting a 24/50 knot size and be surprised when it was 26/50

All evidence has been buried.  All tapes have been erased.

Ah - now that I didn't know - very important.  Thank you.

I already have a 2-band Chubby 2 so I'd like something a little smaller, about Duke 3 size.  Maybe I need to change it to 24x48mm in fan then?

Bruce, why do you suggest bulbs for these knots?

David, I suspect I like far less back-bone than you!

Jamie, yours have been some of the photos that convinced me to get a Shavemac.

Thanks for your advise so far - Paul

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 08-24-2015, 01:55 PM
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Paul, Duke 3 knots are typically listed as 23mm but for reasons above, at the opening they measure around 25mm. In that case, you'd be looking for a 24mm Shavemac. In 2-Band Silvertip, I'd put the loft at 46mm, so 48mm in Fan should be ideal for you.

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 08-24-2015, 02:26 PM
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(08-24-2015, 01:21 PM)P.B Wrote:
(08-24-2015, 07:55 AM)Bruce Wrote:
Optometrist Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, Bruce but isn't that the correct way the knot diameter should be measured, anyway? If you take a Chubby 2 Manchurian, for example, it's listed as having a diameter of around 26/27mm, yet measures more like 28/29 at the opening.

Yes it is.  But a lot of times, brushes are sold and listed at what they are at the opening.

Shavemac knots are the same as Simpson then, just wanted to make sure the OP wasn't expecting a 24/50 knot size and be surprised when it was 26/50

All evidence has been buried.  All tapes have been erased.

Ah - now that I didn't know - very important.  Thank you.

I already have a 2-band Chubby 2 so I'd like something a little smaller, about Duke 3 size.  Maybe I need to change it to 24x48mm in fan then?

Bruce, why do you suggest bulbs for these knots?

David, I suspect I like far less back-bone than you!

Jamie, yours have been some of the photos that convinced me to get a Shavemac.

Thanks for your advise so far - Paul
Just personal preference from what I have used and seen over time. My Silvertip isn't the densest, so a bulb will help with backbone, same goes for my 2 Band Shavemac.

The D01 knots on the other hand are so sense, they benefit from more splay and surface area that a fan offers.

I also prefer Bulb for Bowl and Fan for Face, just to mix it up.

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 08-24-2015, 08:31 PM
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Wish I could help, but I face lather 10/10 100% of the time and only bowl lather once in a blue moon.

I love Shavemacs and to me they are number one brush maker in the world in front of Simpson at the moment.

I currently own 7 custom made Shavemacs, next month 8 and 7 Simpsons.

If you like density, ask Bernd if he can stuff them extra, perhaps for an upcharge of 10% - good regular customers get this service for free (I have bought 15-16 Shavemacs since 2012)

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 09-13-2015, 07:21 AM
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This is the result (apologies for the poor quality of the pictures):

Before first lather:
[Image: P1040614_zps4nkrw4wk.jpg]

After second use:
[Image: P1040615_zps4sjyip79.jpg]


The specs were 24/48 and they both measure 25mm.  The 2-band is 48mm and the 3-band 47mm.  Both are wonderfully soft with gentle back-bone which is exactly as I wanted.  My only negative is that from an aesthetic point of view I'd prefer slightly thinner handles (remove the small shoulder around the base of the knot) but other than that I'm over the moon with them.

Thanks for your advice gents.   Paul

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 09-13-2015, 10:49 AM
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Very nice! The thinner handles is why I like the 177 style.

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 09-13-2015, 12:01 PM
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Paul, lovely brushes!  For next time, you may just want to order the stand-alone knots and have one or two handles custom made to your specifications! Thumbup

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 09-13-2015, 12:22 PM
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Lovely brushes


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