09-27-2015, 03:09 AM
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I'm considering a new Doug Korn brush with a synthetic knot. I'm looking at getting either a 24 mm A4 black bulb knot or a 24mm Ubersoft knot. I don't have any experience with either. I've read positive things about the Ubersoft but have seen very little about the A4. I'd be curious to hear thoughts about either knot, but I'm particularly curious about the A4.

Thanks.

Matt

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 09-27-2015, 06:21 AM
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Don't know anything about the A4, but I have a few Ubersofts that are all fantastic.

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 09-27-2015, 12:37 PM
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Check out this recent thread right here.  It goes over the synthetic knot options available today.

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=35323

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 09-27-2015, 12:50 PM
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(09-27-2015, 12:37 PM)TheLegalRazor Wrote: Check out this recent thread right here.  It goes over the synthetic knot options available today.

http://shavenook.com/showthread.php?tid=35323

That's a great thread, but it doesn't look at the A4.

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 09-27-2015, 02:50 PM
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Good luck to you, Matt! I have pretty much given up on synthetics, so I won't be recommending any to you. Biggrin

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 09-28-2015, 07:13 AM
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I put a 22mm A4 black knot recently in an Ever-Ready restore.
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I also put a 22mm A4 "lights" knot into another Ever-Ready handle.
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The two knots seem almost identical to me, aside from the very different color. Both are pleasantly soft to the face, but more backbone and spring than the Plisson-style knots.

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 09-28-2015, 07:28 AM
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Mike, those restores look fantastic. What loft did you end up with on the brush with the "lights" knot? I'm about to install one of these 22mm knots and am not sure where I want the loft to end up.

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 09-28-2015, 07:38 AM
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Really nice brushes Mike. Do you prefer the 'lights' knot over the plisson type synthetic knot?

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 09-28-2015, 07:55 AM
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The plisson knot is my favorite, however that's a 22mm knot

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 09-28-2015, 08:58 AM
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(09-28-2015, 07:28 AM)Dinder1 Wrote: Mike, those restores look fantastic. What loft did you end up with on the brush with the "lights" knot? I'm about to install one of these 22mm knots and am not sure where I want the loft to end up.
Sorry, I'm on vacation right now so I can't measure it. I like to set my synthetic knots as high as possible, since they need all the effective loft they can get. With the "lights" knot, I enlarged the hole just enough to seat the glue bump partially into the handle without changing the effective loft.

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 09-28-2015, 09:03 AM
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(09-28-2015, 07:38 AM)D_SM Wrote: Really nice brushes Mike. Do you prefer the 'lights' knot over the plisson type synthetic knot?
For me, it's like medium roast coffee vs dark roast - sometimes I appreciate and relish the gentle softness of the Plisson-style knots, other times I want some backbone! The "lights" knot isn't really that firm, not as firm as my beloved HIS knots, for example.

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 09-28-2015, 12:35 PM
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Those two restores are beauties. Thanks for all the information. Like any dedicated (and slightly unhinged) wet shaver would do, I decided to get two brushes. I landed a Wolf Whiskers with the Ubersoft knot and I asked Doug to make a brush with the A4.

Celestino, I also have not been bitten by the synthetic bug yet. I've tried a few but I always prefer my boars and badgers. The synths seem to have a dedicated following though, so I'm hoping I "get it" with these two new additions.

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 09-28-2015, 02:50 PM
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(09-28-2015, 12:35 PM)UngerWoo Wrote: Those two restores are beauties. Thanks for all the information. Like any dedicated (and slightly unhinged) wet shaver would do, I decided to get two brushes. I landed a Wolf Whiskers with the Ubersoft knot and I asked Doug to make a brush with the A4.

Celestino, I also have not been bitten by the synthetic bug yet. I've tried a few but I always prefer my boars and badgers. The synths seem to have a dedicated following though, so I'm hoping I "get it" with these two new additions.
Be sure to post photos of those two brushes when you get them!

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 09-29-2015, 08:42 AM
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(09-28-2015, 07:38 AM)D_SM Wrote: Really nice brushes Mike. Do you prefer the 'lights' knot over the plisson type synthetic knot?

I agree with Mike on this, they are two different animals.  The Plisson knots are soft and plush, splay easily, and really don't give a whole lot in terms of face feel.  The Lights is equally soft in terms of the tips, doesn't splay quite as easily, and provides much more backbone and face feel without being springy like a lot of synthetics tend to be.  The Plisson knots tend to feel a little floppy during paint-brush strokes, which is how I build water into the lather on my face.  The Lights works better for this, with the Ubersoft (Whipped Dog) being even a step above the Lights (although the trade off is a slightly more springy feel to it).

Both produce great lather, but my preference is the Lights knot as I tend to like a little more face feel than the Plisson-type knots provide.  As soon as my new handles arrive I'm also going to be trying out the 24mm Sunrise knot (from the same vendor as the Lights knot) as well as another Plisson-type knot set down to an effective loft between 53mm and 54mm.  These brushes are cheap enough and easy enough to assemble that it makes sense to try them all and figure out what you prefer.  You can easily turn around and sell the ones you don't like.

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 09-29-2015, 08:56 AM
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Thanks Mike and Molon_labe, appreciate your valued input. 

i currently have the 24mm and 28mm plisson type fibres in custom handles and enjoy the softness of these fibres. However I would like some more backbone.

One of my very first synthetics was the Muhle V2 silvertip 23mm knot which I really enjoyed, just didn't feel as soft as the plisson fibres in face feel IMHO.

I may need to try a Whipped Dog ubersoft synthetic.

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 09-29-2015, 09:05 AM
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(09-29-2015, 08:56 AM)D_SM Wrote: Thanks Mike and Molon_labe, appreciate your valued input. 

i currently have the 24mm and 28mm plisson type fibres in custom handles and enjoy the softness of these fibres. However I would like some more backbone.

One of my very first synthetics was the Muhle V2 silvertip 23mm knot which I really enjoyed, just didn't feel as soft as the plisson fibres in face feel IMHO.

I may need to try a Whipped Dog ubersoft synthetic.

You don't find the 28mm Plisson (I assume you are using the "Fauxmere" knots"?) to have enough backbone?  I found that knot fairly difficult to splay.

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 09-29-2015, 09:34 AM
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Sorry Molon_labe, yes I meant the Fauxmere knots from Chiseled face.

I have yet to try the 28mm knot on the custom Shavemac handle (from Bernd). I did ask him to set the knot as high as possible as I enjoy both face and bowl lathering, so I'm hoping it has some splay to it.

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 09-29-2015, 09:45 AM
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(09-29-2015, 09:34 AM)D_SM Wrote: Sorry Molon_labe, yes I meant the Fauxmere knots from Chiseled face.

I have yet to try the 28mm knot on the custom Shavemac handle (from Bernd). I did ask him to set the knot as high as possible as I enjoy both face and bowl lathering, so I'm hoping it has some splay to it.

Ok that makes sense.  The 24mm and 28mm Fauxmere knots are night and day different so I hope Bernd can get that working for you.  It splays, just requires a bit of pressure to keep it that way because it is a fairly dense and stiff knot.  You may love it, I know I've read a few posts from people who like it and the 30mm WD synthetic, it just wasn't for me personally.

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 10-06-2015, 08:16 PM
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(09-29-2015, 09:45 AM)molon_labe Wrote:
(09-29-2015, 09:34 AM)D_SM Wrote: Sorry Molon_labe, yes I meant the Fauxmere knots from Chiseled face.

I have yet to try the 28mm knot on the custom Shavemac handle (from Bernd). I did ask him to set the knot as high as possible as I enjoy both face and bowl lathering, so I'm hoping it has some splay to it.

Ok that makes sense.  The 24mm and 28mm Fauxmere knots are night and day different so I hope Bernd can get that working for you.  It splays, just requires a bit of pressure to keep it that way because it is a fairly dense and stiff knot.  You may love it, I know I've read a few posts from people who like it and the 30mm WD synthetic, it just wasn't for me personally.

What didn't you like about the WD 30mm synthetic Molon_labe?

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 10-06-2015, 08:52 PM
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(10-06-2015, 08:16 PM)shave/brush Wrote:
(09-29-2015, 09:45 AM)molon_labe Wrote:
(09-29-2015, 09:34 AM)D_SM Wrote: Sorry Molon_labe, yes I meant the Fauxmere knots from Chiseled face.

I have yet to try the 28mm knot on the custom Shavemac handle (from Bernd). I did ask him to set the knot as high as possible as I enjoy both face and bowl lathering, so I'm hoping it has some splay to it.

Ok that makes sense.  The 24mm and 28mm Fauxmere knots are night and day different so I hope Bernd can get that working for you.  It splays, just requires a bit of pressure to keep it that way because it is a fairly dense and stiff knot.  You may love it, I know I've read a few posts from people who like it and the 30mm WD synthetic, it just wasn't for me personally.

What didn't you like about the WD 30mm synthetic Molon_labe?

I can give you my take on it for now. I just got the 30mm WD last week and like it very much. It has a lot of backbone, significantly more than the 24mm WD. It does splay just not as easily as the 24mm, and the fibers are identical in softness of course as the 24mm and as soft as the Plisson as well. I think it is a great brush but with synthetics it seems as with everything else ymmv big time. I don't have a synthetic that I don't like actually, and I use them all very often. I probably use my 24mm WD the most. I use 26mm Stirling and 30mm WD for larger soap containers like B&M and Reef Point, and I use 24mm WD and 22mm Plisson for smaller or average size containers like Tim's Soap and Stirling. I never regret using any of those brushes, meaning I never start to lather and then say oh I wish I would have used that one today. They are all excellent. Below is a pic I posted earlier on another thread comparing my 24mm and 30mm WDs and 26mm Stirling.

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