12-01-2015, 07:43 PM
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I've been using synthetic brushes 95% of the time for the last several months, and my poor Simpson Colonel was barely getting used as a result. Recently I decided to use my Simpson to load up CRSW and the result was so good that I have been using it every day since for almost two weeks. Of course I do still intend to use my synthetics but I am enjoying my badger more than ever. 

Now to my question. I have always heard that Simpson best is higher quality than most brushes in best, and that their super may actually be silvertip. What I want to know is will I notice a difference if I get a 24mm silvertip from Vie Long, Epsilon, Thater, or Shavemac? Also, how would a Whipped Dog silvertip compare? I face lather and I like a soft face feel with minimal scritch. I am thinking a 24 to 25mm knot with a 48 to 50mm loft. The Vie-Long 16510 is a 24/50 and is reasonably priced on Gifts & Care, plus we get a 10% discount for being members here. I know Shavemac is popular and considered one of the best but I can't seem to get as good a deal on one as the Thater and Vie-Long. As for looks alone, I prefer Epsilon and/or Vie-Long.

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 12-01-2015, 08:25 PM
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Are you contemplating 3-Band in all of the above brushes?

The new Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band has some of the softest tips you'll find with good backbone; the tips are almost 'gel-like'. This will offer you a much different feel to the 3-Bands, though.

With the dimensions you are considering, I doubt any of the 3-Band offerings form any company will provide similar backbone unless you get the Shavemac D-01 3-Band, or a Duke 3 Super.
I haven't tried the  Vie-Long Silvertip 3-Band knots in almost 3 years, so I can't say have soft the newer ones are, but the ones I tried, back then, weren't as soft as Simpsons' Super.

Good luck and I hope more experience Vie-Long brush users will offer their impressions. Shy

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 12-01-2015, 08:36 PM
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(12-01-2015, 08:25 PM)celestino Wrote: Are you contemplating 3-Band in all of the above brushes?

The new Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band has some of the softest tips you'll find with good backbone; the tips are almost 'gel-like'. This will offer you a much different feel to the 3-Bands, though.

With the dimensions you are considering, I doubt any of the 3-Band offerings form any company will provide similar backbone unless you get the Shavemac D-01 3-Band, or a Duke 3 Super.
I haven't tried the  Vie-Long Silvertip 3-Band knots in almost 3 years, so I can't say have soft the newer ones are, but the ones I tried, back then, weren't as soft as Simpsons' Super.

Good luck and I hope more experience Vie-Long brush users will offer their impressions. Shy

I was planning on 3 band, but don't have to. I'm trying to keep it around the $100 range. I suppose if I have to I can splurge on the 2 band Silvertip Shavemac. However, for that price I really like the Epsilons and hear good things about them too. And Thater if purchased from Shaving.ie is in my price range too by the way. 

What dimension do you recommend? My Colonel is a 22/46 and works very well for face lathering. I thought for badger face lathering I would need to keep it at 2:1 ratio or less.

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 12-01-2015, 10:03 PM
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I have also heard great things about the Epsilon 2-Band brushes and I am awaiting one. However, they, along with the 3-Bands, will be too large for you as you prefer a smaller diameter knot.

The Vie-Long 3-Band brushes you were considering might be a good option and I hope someone who has recently used one will offer their impressions.

Regarding the dimensions of the knot, the 2:1 ratio would be fine depending on the type of hair and the density of the knot. Thater 2-Band might be a very good option for you as they are cloud-like soft, in general.

There are two Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band brushes on the BST, right now, for good prices. The knots are a bit larger than you have mentioned, but good deals, nonetheless.

Good luck.

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 12-01-2015, 10:43 PM
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(12-01-2015, 10:03 PM)celestino Wrote: I have also heard great things about the Epsilon 2-Band brushes and I am awaiting one. However, they, along with the 3-Bands, will be too large for you as you prefer a smaller diameter knot.

The Vie-Long 3-Band brushes you were considering might be a good option and I hope someone who has recently used one will offer their impressions.

Regarding the dimensions of the knot, the 2:1 ratio would be fine depending on the type of hair and the density of the knot. Thater 2-Band might be a very good option for you as they are cloud-like soft, in general.

There are two Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band brushes on the BST, right now, for good prices. The knots are a bit larger than you have mentioned ormentioned, but good deals, nonetheless.

Good luck.

I can go 26mm. I prefer 24 to 26 in synthetic brushes and was only considering 24 and 25 over 26mm  mainly due to the cost, trying to keep it at $100 or less. I may just sell my Colonel and spend a little extra if that will give me more what I like in a brush. 
Thanks again.

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 12-02-2015, 07:20 AM
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Best of luck to you and selling your Colonel and getting one of the brushes on the BST will, probably, be an excellent decision. Those Shavemac Silvertip 2-Band knots are excellent! Shy

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 12-02-2015, 07:26 AM
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I'll be honest, the latest Whipped Dog silvertip I had wasn't very good.  I haven't had much luck with those brushes.  The old ones were soft but shed.  The new one was scratchy and just not good quality.

Thaters are very nice brushes.  You can get the 4125/1 for about $120 shipped.  Extremely soft, more than any Simpson Best I've tried.

If you're interested in Shavemacs, the Finest knot is a great value.  It feels pretty much like Silvertip just with a bit more backbone and not as much splay or bloom.  You can get a custom 24mm for about $120 shipped as well (there is a 19% VAT discount for US orders).

2-band Silvertip will definitely be stiffer than Simpson Best but the tips will still be fairly soft.  It's a different face feel for sure.

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 12-02-2015, 09:55 AM
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(12-02-2015, 07:26 AM)jarick Wrote: I'll be honest, the latest Whipped Dog silvertip I had wasn't very good.  I haven't had much luck with those brushes.  The old ones were soft but shed.  The new one was scratchy and just not good quality.

Thaters are very nice brushes.  You can get the 4125/1 for about $120 shipped.  Extremely soft, more than any Simpson Best I've tried.

If you're interested in Shavemacs, the Finest knot is a great value.  It feels pretty much like Silvertip just with a bit more backbone and not as much splay or bloom.  You can get a custom 24mm for about $120 shipped as well (there is a 19% VAT discount for US orders).

2-band Silvertip will definitely be stiffer than Simpson Best but the tips will still be fairly soft.  It's a different face feel for sure.

Thanks. The 4125/1 is what I would go  with on Thater. I will decide this evening after considering my options.

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 12-02-2015, 05:29 PM
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(12-02-2015, 09:55 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(12-02-2015, 07:26 AM)jarick Wrote: I'll be honest, the latest Whipped Dog silvertip I had wasn't very good.  I haven't had much luck with those brushes.  The old ones were soft but shed.  The new one was scratchy and just not good quality.

Thaters are very nice brushes.  You can get the 4125/1 for about $120 shipped.  Extremely soft, more than any Simpson Best I've tried.

If you're interested in Shavemacs, the Finest knot is a great value.  It feels pretty much like Silvertip just with a bit more backbone and not as much splay or bloom.  You can get a custom 24mm for about $120 shipped as well (there is a 19% VAT discount for US orders).

2-band Silvertip will definitely be stiffer than Simpson Best but the tips will still be fairly soft.  It's a different face feel for sure.

Thanks. The 4125/1 is what I would go  with on Thater. I will decide this evening after considering my options.

That would be an excellent choice IMO.  I love Thaters Heart

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 12-02-2015, 05:52 PM
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Also consider a Savile Row 3824, excellent IMO.

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 12-02-2015, 08:54 PM
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(12-02-2015, 05:52 PM)ultra~nova Wrote: Also consider a Savile Row 3824, excellent IMO.

Those look nice too but the lofts are taller than I am looking for. What is the ideal loft for face lather with Silvertip? My Colonel is 22/46, and my synthetics are all 55 or higher but they are entirely different. I like the colonel but feel it is a little shorter than I would like, so I am thinking maybe 50 to 52mm would be good.

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 12-03-2015, 02:24 AM
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I strongly recommend the new 2-band from Shavemac, as so many others do. IMHO it's the best deal you can get, considering the quality you get at a fair price.
The brush in this pic is 25/48 and it is a fantastic brush. I always face lather.
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And by the way. I also think my Colonel is a great brush.

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 12-03-2015, 02:42 AM
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My favorite brush is a Shavemac 2-band 24x48 fan. Just an amazing brush. Great face latherer, but it will still function in a bowl.

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 12-07-2015, 01:47 PM
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Well me search is over. I ordered a Thater 4125/2 Silvertip 3 band bulb with black handle. It is a 26mm but not sure how tall the loft will be since it didn't list it but it is 106mm overall.

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 12-07-2015, 01:58 PM
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(12-07-2015, 01:47 PM)Hobbyist Wrote: Well me search is over. I ordered a Thater 4125/2 Silvertip 3 band with black handle. It is a 26mm but not sure how tall the loft will be since it didn't list it but it is 106mm overall.

Congrats! Did you go with the bulb or fan?

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 12-07-2015, 02:40 PM
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(12-07-2015, 01:58 PM)kwsher Wrote:
(12-07-2015, 01:47 PM)Hobbyist Wrote: Well me search is over. I ordered a Thater 4125/2 Silvertip 3 band with black handle. It is a 26mm but not sure how tall the loft will be since it didn't list it but it is 106mm overall.

Congrats! Did you go with the bulb or fan?

Sorry, bulb. I will edit that.

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 12-07-2015, 03:03 PM
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I have the same brush and mine is about 25/26mm for the knot and  52/53mm for the loft and just at 100mm overall.   Mind you those measurements are with a ruler.  I need to get me some digital calipers.

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 12-07-2015, 03:15 PM
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(12-07-2015, 03:03 PM)Jsanchez Wrote: I have the same brush and mine is about 25/26mm for the knot and  52/53mm for the loft and just at 100mm overall.   Mind you those measurements are with a ruler.  I need to get me some digital calipers.

Thanks for posting. I bought it at shaving.ie and for whatever reason they only list the knot and overall height which if 106 is accurate then I assume it will be around 58mm loft based off your handle size.

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 12-07-2015, 03:34 PM
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(12-07-2015, 03:15 PM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(12-07-2015, 03:03 PM)Jsanchez Wrote: I have the same brush and mine is about 25/26mm for the knot and  52/53mm for the loft and just at 100mm overall.   Mind you those measurements are with a ruler.  I need to get me some digital calipers.

Thanks for posting. I bought it at shaving.ie and for whatever reason they only list the knot and overall height which if 106 is accurate then I assume it will be around 58mm loft based off your handle size.

Maybe I was given bad information about my brush. The 4125/1 is a 24mm and 101mm overall according to the Thater website (they don't list lofts either). I've also read that Thater knots are 1/2mm bigger than spec'd which would be right for my brush. 

I would say that mine is a 4125/1 after doing the measurements

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 12-07-2015, 06:45 PM
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(12-07-2015, 03:34 PM)Jsanchez Wrote:
(12-07-2015, 03:15 PM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(12-07-2015, 03:03 PM)Jsanchez Wrote: I have the same brush and mine is about 25/26mm for the knot and  52/53mm for the loft and just at 100mm overall.   Mind you those measurements are with a ruler.  I need to get me some digital calipers.

Thanks for posting. I bought it at shaving.ie and for whatever reason they only list the knot and overall height which if 106 is accurate then I assume it will be around 58mm loft based off your handle size.

Maybe I was given bad information about my brush. The 4125/1 is a 24mm and 101mm overall according to the Thater website (they don't list lofts either). I've also read that Thater knots are 1/2mm bigger than spec'd which would be right for my brush. 

I would say that mine is a 4125/1 after doing the measurements

It sounds like you have a 4125/1, which is listed at 101 overall as you said. I definitely ordered the 4125/2 which is a 26mm knot and stated to be 106mm overall. I just spoke to another member who has the same brush in a fan knot and he said his is a 54mm loft, thus I expect mine to be a little taller being a bulb and maybe up to 28mm effective loft.

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